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rab ,
@rab@lemmy.ca avatar

I work in a datacenter and even enterprise grade Lenovo hardware is trash. Hard pass

selokichtli ,

My wallet would support Steam if it had any sort of bills in it. Lenovo is a lousy company in the gadgets market. I own a marvelous Yoga Tab 3 Pro with an Intel Atom CPU and a built-in projector. An expensive device that received the one clunky Android upgrade and no source code. I modded the firmware enough to make it still usable, but God, do I hate their “support” service. Good riddance!

Strayce ,

I kinda dig it. I have comically large hands so the big chunky controllers appeal to me. Don’t think I’d ever use them detached but if there’s a connector thing like for joycons I can see it working.

s20 ,

They lost me when they said it was going to run Windows.

Clusterfck ,

As long as it’s not Windows on ARM, it can always get SteamOS installed later.

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Unless drivers are available not really. This is all specialized APU stuff. Valve chose AMD on purpose and had a deal with them to improve drivers AMD was already open sourcing and developing for Linux community. If they chose some Windows only hardware you won’t have much luck with Steam Deck. It might work but then performance will suffer.

oryx ,
@oryx@lemmy.world avatar

Wow, that looks awful as a handheld.

Copernican ,

Will say it’s an interesting idea to put a scroll wheel on the back of the right grip. On the deck and steam controller I’d sometimes use track pads to just be scroll wheels, but sometimes I wish there was just a physical tactile scroll wheel instead.

mtchristo ,

Do you remember Lenovo getting into the smartphone business ? I bet they are going for a redo this time again. they are known for having commitment issues

MargotRobbie ,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

Em… Lenovo is still big in the smartphone business, they are just all Motorola branded now.

mtchristo ,

Cause their own venture sunk

MargotRobbie ,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

That’s not what happened… Lenovo didn’t have a smartphone business until Google sold the remains of Motorola to them, so Lenovo and Zuk branded phones actually came AFTER Motorola by Lenovo.

mtchristo ,

No lenovo smartphones existed since early 2010

HidingCat ,

Why do these people design the control interfaces without giving thought to it that if it's for PC gaming, mouse cursor control is paramount? While this has a touchpad, the position look like it's an afterthought. And doubly so if it's going to run on Windows on a small screen; touch is just about doable on a 12" Surface Pro screen, I can't imagine going smaller than 10".

mojo ,

Why are they choosing to run Windows on these things

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

Valve has the resources to hack Proton to make things work, others just want an OS they know will already run Windows games without much fuss. Valve specifically wants to move away from Windows because of fears of anticompetitive behavior from Microsoft. They're not just doing it from the goodness of their hearts. Microsoft would like nothing more than the Steam store crushed and all its games moved to their own walled garden.

riskable ,
@riskable@programming.dev avatar

Lenovo has fucktons of resources to do this sort of thing. Probably more than Valve!

Not only that but I guarantee that Lenovo probably has 10x more Linux engineers and developers than Valve working for them full-time, right now.

curiousaur ,

They should just work together to get steamos on this thing. After getting used to my deck, I never want to game on windows again.

roembol ,

Yes, but Lenovo isn’t competing with Microsoft the same way Valve is

mojo ,

A big reason to move away from Microsoft is also lack of licensing fees, which the other companies can definitely get behind. They’d have to make their own store and front end most likely, but proton is basically all done for them and is already in a shippable state that “just works” for users.

dunidane ,

Because it’s much easier than making their own Linux version.

Valve learned their lesson from the steam machines and isn’t just working with 3rd parties with steamos.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot ,

Then they could’ve used generic Linux distros…

Hazdaz ,

Once again the consumer electronics industry proving that it has essentially zero imagination.

Those who want a Steam Deck can probably just buy a Steam Deck. Or a Switch. 13.2% faster processor, 8.3% more colors, 9% faster refresh… all those endless specs don’t speak to me, which is all any company can do if they are just copying some existing design.

How about different form factors? I think the idea of a Steam Deck is great, but I hate how bulky it is. I am willing to sacrifice CPU power and even screen size for something a little more pocketable. Something in a portrait orientation rather landscape, maybe.

Lantern ,

The product designer for this needs to be fired. Anyone who’s held a controller for an extended period of time knows these hard corners will kill your hands.

Hazdaz ,

Same with any product designer who releases a phone with sharp edges just because it looks clean.

Lantern ,

Phones are a slightly different story. Edges do help grip, and ensure product stability (which is essential on a phone). Additionally their smaller form factor means ergonomics don’t come into play as much as a game controller.

tony ,

It doesn’t even look good when they do that… it looks like they couldn’t be bothered.

I had a phone like that for under a week, sent it back. It was so uncomfortable to hold.

echoplex21 ,

Like seeing the competition. I got the Rog Ally right now and loving it. Not sure I would want the joy cons type form factor though that might make portability easier.

sturmblast ,

if it isn’t running Linux I’m not very interested but it’s cool hardware

maxprime ,

If it’s not running Linux could one not just… install Linux? I wouldn’t be surprised if drivers were out before long.

Krompus ,
@Krompus@lemmy.world avatar

Most likely. Official support is nice though, as with Steam Deck.

steltek ,

Power management on laptop-like devices is a problem for Linux because of lazy manufacturers. ACPI often reports broken values and h/w vendors patch it up using Windows driver overrides, rather than a real fix. Suspend/resume is a delicately choreographed set of steps given to the OS by ACPI so if that’s wrong, you’ll get awful battery life or worse, crashes. Linux devs will emulate the Windows driver patches but that comes later, if at all.

I mean, hopefully it would work but Lenovo would need to not take the easy way out. They’ve been slipping, even with their Thinkpads lately.

Schmeckinger ,

Since its a all in one device couldn’t the community just come up with a fix for the power management?

riskable ,
@riskable@programming.dev avatar

Yes, but things like that take time. So yeah: Six months after the device is released there will probably be fantastic Linux support. Until then it’ll be hit or miss from an “annoying fucking bugs” and “where’d my battery life go?” perspective.

This is why it’s always better when a device manufacturer supports Linux right out of the gate. Not only does that give the device vastly more capabilities it also helps Windows by ensuring that the hardware doesn’t require all sorts of wacky ACPI workarounds and custom software be developed in order to do things like check the temperature or battery capacity (things that Lenovo has made absurdly proprietary in the past).

const_void ,

The problem is that if it ships with Windows then you are paying for a Windows license that you won’t be using.

Anonymousllama ,

I think most people now when looking at portable gaming devices like these want a seamless experience (like with the Steamdeck)

Windows has proven to be problematic with these devices, where when you use the Steamdeck it’s pretty much pick up and play. The ROG ally uses Windows + it’s own armory crate software and from what I’ve heard it’s been pretty hit or miss

SneakyThunder ,

ThinkDeck™

LazaroFilm ,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

I’m excited for this new PC/Console hybrid market to start becoming something big. Hardware competition will drive progress up and prices down while openiNg access to games to many. I do really hone the market lands on Linux as their main OS instead of Windows11.

CosmicSploogeDrizzle ,
@CosmicSploogeDrizzle@lemmy.world avatar

Why are the back buttons on the right controller aligned horizontally while the left controller back buttons are aligned vertically?

Also there are two side bottoms shown as well. I’d love to see a demo of this in action.

HidingCat ,

I'm really curious too, what the heck is going on here?!

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