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Top Meta executive said the company's name change was a success because it beat out coverage of the 'Facebook Papers' revelations

Top Meta executive said the company’s name change was a success because it beat out coverage of the ‘Facebook Papers’ revelations::Meta’s Chris Cox explained to employees the company’s rebrand succeeded in driving press coverage amid whistleblower disclosures.

tenitchyfingers ,

Ever heard the criticism about some movie villains being “comically evil and unrealistic”? Well, tell those critics you’re sorry. Like even the MCU villains are realistic enough at this point. Matter of fact, Obadiah Stane is the perfect representation of one of these evil motherfuckers. That’s why he’s the scariest villain in the whole franchise.

synae ,
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Wasn’t there a recent James Bond movie about some guy controlling the water supply, which was less bad than an actual dictator’s plan?

Reverendender ,

Sounds like Quantum of Solace

synae ,
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Yea, that’s the one! I remember being very disappointed in that one :/

Reverendender ,

I was too originally. After a recent rewatch, I found I actually quite liked it.

Grant_M ,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

Boycott META. Boycott billionaires.

w7u2jf8ja ,

no I’m good thanks 👍

Grant_M ,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

Zuck sock account?

FarceMultiplier ,
@FarceMultiplier@lemmy.ca avatar

Makes me wonder what absolute horrors Elon is getting ahead of, with Twitter’s rename.

ChewTiger ,

That is a good point worth considering… Though I just think he wants to shove some Fintech in there and thinks the name X is “cool”.

doppelgangmember ,

Jokes on him, the app is still called Facebook on my Android!

Tangent5280 ,

Anybody got a link to “The Facebook Papers”?

SteveJobs ,

businessinsider.com/facebook-papers-mark-zuckerbe…

Cheers ,

Oh fuck. I didn’t know this was around the same time. I literally tell everyone about how shit FB is and this proves it 1000x.

If you have a daughter or are a daughter, you should hate meta. They’re inspiring a generation of self hating women and they have the data to prove it.

milady ,
@milady@lemmy.world avatar

Where does it say that in the article ? I wholeheartedly believe “”“meta”'" would do that, but I didn’t see it mentionned here.

Cheers ,

It doesn’t say it there. I’m pulling from other sources.

washingtonpost.com/…/what-are-the-facebook-papers…

wsj.com/…/facebook-knows-instagram-is-toxic-for-t…

Corkyskog ,

Anything that doesn’t require a subscription?

Ogmios ,

First link seems fine. Here’s the second one.

only_lurking ,

Washington Post has a paywall after a certain number of article views unless you’re a subscriber.

Ogmios ,

archive.is/wYuvL

Archive.is is useful for getting past them.

tjaden ,
@tjaden@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Use Bypass Paywalls Clean to get past most news site paywalls.

Bypass Paywalls Clean for Firefox: gitlab.com/…/bypass-paywalls-firefox-clean

Bypass Paywalls Clean for Chrome: gitlab.com/…/bypass-paywalls-chrome-clean

Personally, I use Firefox and setup a new profile specifically for this extension and use Multi-Account Containers for each news site and uBlock Origin, too.

…mozilla.org/…/profile-manager-create-remove-swit…

addons.mozilla.org/…/multi-account-containers/

addons.mozilla.org/en-US/…/ublock-origin/

A2PKXG ,
@A2PKXG@feddit.de avatar

Do people even still use Facebook?

Saneless ,

Kids hate it but they love Instagram

My gf (not a kid) is proud how she hasn’t used FB in a year but she’s on Instagram every day

Same Zuck shit

Reverendender ,

I deactivated for 4 years. Then I decided to see what people were up to, and I discovered my local Buy Nothing group and a number of groups for my action figure collecting, and those are honestly worth it for me. I did my best to limit what data I’m giving them, but not only do they make it Byzantinely difficult, other software keeps selling them my info. My ads were slightly less targeted for a couple of weeks, then reverted back to being scarily targeted. That said, while I hate the privacy issues, I really like the groups. Anyway, thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

Tangent5280 ,

Damn, I wish we could just get those groups on sites like lemmy instead. I wonder if the lack of anonymity might foster trust between members of a group that buys and sells stuff to each other? 🤔

Reverendender ,

We could definitely have Buy Nothing groups, but the Facebook options for inter-member commerce are too convenient and offer decent protections. For a price of course. But when you’ve never done business with someone before, it’s nice to have those protections.

w7u2jf8ja ,

it’s not real

rambaroo ,

I can’t imagine willingly working for a company this openly evil. Imagine sitting through an all hands like this.

Rentlar ,

Some software engineers are fine with temporarily casting aside their morals in exchange for a north of 200k USD salary.

Reva ,

As would any reasonable person in this economy and state of the world. It’s not the workers’ fault what the ruling class coerces them to do.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

If you have a skill set that lets you choose between working an for an ethical company for 100k and working for an evil company for 200k, it’s on you if you choose the latter.

jarfil ,

What if I pick the 100k one… then get sick, have medical bills, can’t work anymore, and end up in debt? Because, let me tell you, being ethical only got me more insomnia.

Azzu ,

What if I pick the 200k one and have to live with the fact that I made the world a worse place for everyone else? Being selfish is fine of course, but I don’t even earn 50k, 100k would already be ridiculous. I can’t imagine the difference between 100k and 200k being that big of an improvement to one’s life to justify increasing the suffering of others so much.

jarfil ,

Well, I figure out the difference between 100k and 200k in how many years would it take me to get those extra 100k… like, right now, some extra 100k would solve all my financial problems for the foreseeable future, even possibly for life (yeah, I might not have all that much life expectancy left).

Had I been more selfish when I had the chance, I’d be much better off now. The way things are, I’m also suffering while others are… suffering the same, just someone else got more selfish in my place, we won nothing.

rambaroo , (edited )

Then how would the 200k job magically make things better? The kind of medical bills you’re talking about aren’t payable unless you’re a 1%er. You’re screwed either way. And I say that as someone who also has chronic insomnia.

jarfil ,

100k is slightly more than what I’d need right now to stop worrying. Had I got that several years ago, chances are I wouldn’t even get this sick in the first place, meaning that would likely be several times extra 100k… and it clearly didn’t stop others from taking the high pay road, so being more ethical only screwed me, didn’t even prevent others from getting screwed.

Eheran ,

That’s like someone saying “I didn’t make the rules” while enforcing them. It removes exactly zero responsibility.

Chickenstalker ,

“I was only following ze orders”

Eheran ,

Exactly.

Ogmios ,

Well, it’s true there are people who would call me unreasonable.

rambaroo ,

BS. Meta engineers can work anywhere they want. It is absolutely their fault that they choose to continue enabling Meta. Meta couldn’t survive without them.

Many other professions have ethical standards. Software engineering should be no different.

Jim ,

I mean you gotta eat. I dont work for meta but for an industry that is probably scum. I think what I do adds value to it being less evil. I also do the bare minimum and they pay me so I think thats a win-win.

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Software engineers can find high paying jobs easily, they can choose. Unless they want to eat caviar at every meal.

Holyginz ,

Thats a very broad statement that is only true for some software engineers

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Which kind of software engineers have trouble finding high paying jobs relatively to where they live?

jarfil ,

Disabled and/or burnt out ones.

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

This applies to any profession, so back to my initial point.

AssPennies ,

I guess I’m missing where you made your initial point of “this applies to any profession”. Could you please restate your point?

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

I’m talking about the condition of software engineers, and being disabled/burnt out applies to any profession, so it’s not a valid argument to counter my point that software engineers can get high paying jobs and can choose where they want to work.

rambaroo ,

You’re trying to tell me that Meta devs can’t find a job anywhere else? Give me a break. It’s hilarious how this thread touched such a nerve.

Jim ,

Did he say anything about software engineers? It’s not as if thats the only job available at corporations.

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

It’s the majority of the payroll at this kind of company, and I wanted to mention them in particular. Do you disagree with my statement applied to software engineers?

rambaroo ,

How easily could you get a job elsewhere though? Meta devs have a choice and they chose greed. These aren’t people struggling to pay bills dude. I’m getting sick of people acting like they are.

And note that I did say “willingly”. I understand there are people at Meta, especially non-devs, who may not have a choice. I doubt they are anywhere near a majority though.

jsnc ,

Software engineers (the ones who work in firms producing nonfree software) have little to no class consciousness since none of them actually have meaningful ownership of the code they produce. They are just laborers of a greater executive/shareholders’ visions. This way, they get to deflect blame since they were “another cog in the machine.”

Software engineers will not EVER push back on these companies because they have no hutzpah materially (worker ownership) or socially (Corporate mindshare). Opponents of free software correctly point this out but never go further than “i just need to make money.”

Reva ,

That is not true, even though it uses socialist terminology.

No worker has any meaningful ownership of what they produce, other than perhaps a petty bourgeois solo worker or one in a two-man shop. That’s the entire point of capitalism, that people sell their labour for less money than the product of their labour (products which are owned by the capitalist in question). No worker has ownership over their products.

And if, what I assume, you meant abstract, creative or emotional ownership, “alienation from the product of one’s labour” is a driving feature of capitalism, the fact that people’s work is so abstracted and removed from the final product, their decisions and creativity overridden, that they have no emotional connection to their own work and the products that they work on. Everyone has that to some degree. That’s a main feature of capitalism, to keep people from feeling entitled to the product of their labour since they feel like they barely contributed to the end product.

These are things that drive people to more class consciousness, not less!

The reason why IT workers on average tend to have less class consciousness than other workers (for example manual labourers) is that they are comparatively well paid and are routinely made to feel like a privileged group within their class, removing them mentally and materially from anything resembling a workers’ struggle or true poverty, fatal health issues (like heat strokes in construction workers currently) and so on. They simply aren’t “suffering enough” yet to have that kind of revolutionary consciousness, because the economy is still holding up for many of them. And even that is changing.

I agree free software would give the workers back a certain degree of what they lost through alienation.

reversebananimals ,

Why try to make enemies? I’m the kind of person you’re talking about and I’ve absolutely pushed back and even left jobs over ethical issues.

No need to stereotype and create artificial divisions. We’re on the same side.

jsnc ,

Yeah, this and the other reply was helpful. What I said wasnt constructive and I apologize. This kind of thing just gets me super edgy and I channeled it in the wrong way. Thanks.

Corkyskog ,

Y’all made up… lol. Now unionize!

DozensOfDonner ,

Not being a Facebook user and only seeing some mentions of FB/Meta in thread like this I can confirm I haven’t heard of the Facebook Papers. It rings a bell about some privacy violation stuff, but not a big one.

Kinglink ,

It wasn’t a success because of that. People just don’t care about the Facebook Papers and the Twitter exposes.

They either already suspected it, and this just confirms it, or they don’t give a fuck, they just want a place to post inane statuses and talk to people, because it’s social media.

Sadly they are sheep and they never will wake up.

LillyPip ,

Ya know what? He’s not wrong. I forgot about that for a while. I hate him a more now because it worked.

teydam ,

Thanks for bringing this to my attention

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

he knows we still call it facebook, right? like only propagandists call it ‘meta’.

froh42 ,

Of course he knows, don’t think these people are stupid. Still it limited the amount of news about the Facebook Papers by giving the press something else to write about. This post proves it even more.

And yet in the long run, they can make the name Meta stick, just by behaving like the renaming was a huge success and just ignoring everyone who calls the whole company Facebook.

If you like it or not over time Facebook will be just one of their brands, also probably not even the most attractive one.

Humanius ,
@Humanius@lemmy.world avatar

They don’t care whether you call it Facebook or Meta.
All they care about is that enough people were talking about the name change, so that they were distracted from the real controversy (which is the “Facebook Papers” revalations)

foggy ,

All in favor of disrespecting twitters new name?

MercuryUprising ,

"Only X I know is Xzibit or RBX " - Kurupt, Calling Out Names

madcaesar ,

Woah, the disrespect for DMX!! X gonna give it to ya for that one!

MercuryUprising ,

The song was basically a diss track aimed at DMX among others. Not sure if you were being sarcastic and knew that, but just in case you didn’t. The previous section of the verse is “Motherfuck D, Motherfuck M”

madcaesar ,

I’ll be honest I have no idea who any of those people are except xzibit from pimp my ride and obviously DMX. But yea was just trying to make a silly joke 😅

Marsupial ,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

How is X Gon’ Give It To Ya a diss track aimed at X? Does he hate himself more than I do or something to write his own diss?

MercuryUprising ,

uh… what?

NielsBohron , (edited )
@NielsBohron@lemmy.world avatar

No, Kurupt’s song “Calling Out Names” is the diss track aimed at DMX

Teal ,

Stop, drop, shut 'em down, open up shop

Oh, no, that’s how Ruff Ryders roll

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

Can’t be forgetting Zero’s partner, either.

rambaroo ,

Seriously? How are you not getting the point of this article?

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