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DeuxChevaux ,
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Shamed be he who thinks naughty of it. 🤣

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I stand by my opinion that learning systems training on copyrighted materials isn’t the problem, it’s companies super eager to replace human workers with automation (or replace skilled workers with cheaper, unskilled workers). The problem is, every worker not working is another adult (and maybe some kids) not eating and not paying rent.

(And for those of you soulless capitalists out there, people without food and shelter is bad. That’s a thing we won’t tolerate and start looking at you lean-and-hungry-like when it happens. That’s what gets us thinking about guillotines hungry for aristocrats.)

In my ideal world, everyone would have food, shelter, clothes, entertainment and a general middle-class lifestyle whether they worked or not, and intellectual-property temporary monopolies would be very short and we’d have a huge public domain. I think the UN wants to be on the same page as me, but the United States and billionaires do not.

All we’d have to worry about is the power demands of AI and cryptomining, which might motivate us to get pure-hydrogen fusion working. Or just keep developing solar, wind, geothermal and tidal power until everyone can run their AC and supercomputer.

octopus_ink ,

it’s companies super eager to replace human workers with automation (or replace skilled workers with cheaper, unskilled workers). The problem is, every worker not working is another adult (and maybe some kids) not eating and not paying rent.

I agree this is the real problem. (And also shit like Microsoft’s “now I can attend three meetings at once” ad) However:

I stand by my opinion that learning systems training on copyrighted materials isn’t the problem

The industries whose works are being used for training are on the front lines of efforts to replace human workers with AI - writers and visual artists.

uriel238 ,
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The industries whose works are being used for training are on the front lines of efforts to replace human workers with AI - writers and visual artists.

Much the way musicians were on the front line when recording was becoming a thing and movies were turning into talkies. But that’s the most visible pushout. We’re also seeing clerical work getting automated, and once autonomous vehicles become mastered, freight and courier work (driving freight is like a third of the US workforce).

This is much the same way that GMO technology is fine (and will be necessary) but the way Monsanto has been using it as DRM for seeds is unethical.

I think attacking the technology itself doesn’t serve to address the unethical part, and kicks the can down the line to where the fight is going to be more intense. But yes, we haven’t found our Mahsa Amini moment to justify nationwide general strikes.

As someone who dabbles in sociology (unaccredited), it’s vexed me that we can’t organize general strikes (or burning down precincts) until enough people die unjustly and horribly, and even then it’s not predictable what will do it. For now it means as a species we’re going gentle into multiple good nights.

octopus_ink ,

As someone who dabbles in sociology (unaccredited), it’s vexed me that we can’t organize general strikes (or burning down precincts) until enough people die unjustly and horribly, and even then it’s not predictable what will do it. For now it means as a species we’re going gentle into multiple good nights.

I can’t tell for most of your post if you are agreeing with me, disagreeing with me, or just adding more info. However, I entirely agree with this bit here from you that I quoted.

Overshoot2648 ,

1 Monsanto doesn’t even exist anymore

2 With the amount of AI money going into AI trucking, we could’ve bought more rail which is inherently automatable.

vxx ,

Phh, people without food and work can go to the Venus X-enus mining company.

VinnyDaCat ,

I stand by my opinion that learning systems training on copyrighted materials isn’t the problem, it’s companies super eager to replace human workers with automation (or replace skilled workers with cheaper, unskilled workers).

I mean it’s the heart of the issue.

OpenAI isn’t even the big issue regarding this. It’s other companies that are developing and training specialized LLMs on their own employees. These companies have the capital to take the loss on the project because in their eyes it’ll eventually turn into a gain as long as they get it right eventually.

GPT and OpenAI is just a minor distraction in regards to what is being cooked up behind the scenes, but I still wouldn’t give them a free pass for that either.

Dkarma ,

This has nothing to do with copyright.

scutiger ,

It does. If the AI firms lose, the laws around copyrights tighten and major copyright holders profit. If they win, they get to do what they please and nobody can stop them. Either way, the public loses.

roofuskit ,

Hey, me either. I guess I can steal too.

vga ,

https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/6966fe8e-bb9e-46e3-b088-6b020c99010d.webp

menemen ,
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Hello from our companies “we finally need to get more AI” executive conference. I got find a way to get out of this corporate bullshit…

“We are falling behind” my ass.

LarmyOfLone ,

I feel we need a term for “copyright bros”.

The more important point is that social media companies can claim to OWN all the content needed to train AI. Same for image sites. That means they get to own the AI models. That means the models will never be free. Which means they control the “means of generation”. That means that forever and ever and ever most human labour will be worth nothing while we can’t even legally use this power. Double fucked.

YOU the user/product will not gain anything with this copyright strongmanning.

And to the argument itself: Just because AI is better at learning from existing works, faster, more complete, better memory, doesn’t meant that it’s fundamentally different than humans learning from artwork. Almost EVERY artist arguing for this is stealing themselves since they learned and was inspired by existing works.

But I guess the worst possible outcome is inevitable now.

Dkarma ,

Your second to last paragraph nailed it.

HeckGazer ,

https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/f460487b-583c-4415-adc7-d614ce4990d3.jpeg

ZILtoid1991 ,

Some idea for others: If OpenAI wins, then use this case when you get busted for sellling bootleg Blu-Rays (since DVDs are long obsolete) from your truck.

tabris ,

Dvds still account for around half of physical media sales. Far from obsolete.

Specal ,

There’s no source in your comment so it’s taken with a pinch of salt. But I’m more amazed that DVDs are only half of physical sales. Unless Blu-ray is the other half of physical sales.

tabris ,

Here’s a source: lemmy.ml/post/19567861

  • DVD: 55%
  • Blu-ray: 26%
  • UHD: 18%
Blackmist ,

Although that’s mostly because physical media sales are in the toilet.

https://feddit.uk/pictrs/image/b33648b5-8599-4fe1-83ad-c28626e6d526.webp

statsignificant.com/…/the-rise-fall-and-slight-ri…

While Blu-ray and HD-DVD were arguing over what comes after DVDs, they were both consigned to the dustbin. And while I like to not be reliant on subscription services, I’ve got to say a bunch of files on a Jellyfin server is much more convenient than a shelf full of plastic and foil discs.

With modern internet speeds, there’s no reason you can’t have full UHD-BR quality streamed over the internet.

utopiah ,

So… they are a non-profit (as they initially were) or a public research lab then. That would perfectly fine to say the path that they chose and so happen to make them unbelievably rich, is not viable.

They don’t have a business if they can’t legally make profit, it’s not that hard. I’m sure people who are pursing superhuman intelligence can figure out that much, if not they can ask their “AI” some help to understand.

What a joke.

rob_t_firefly ,
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It is impossible for my turnip soup business to make money if you enforce laws that make it illegal for me to steal turnips.

Paying for turnips is not realistic.

You bureaucrats don’t understand food.

@davey_cakes

Dkarma ,

More like I can’t sell photographs of turnips if I have to pay to take photos of them. Why should we have to pay to take photos of turnips when we never have had to ever?

DaTingGoBrrr ,

Not at all. They are using copyrighted material to make a product that they are selling and profiting from. Profiting off of someone else’s work is not the same as making a copy of it for personal use.

Dkarma ,

Going to a museum and looking at paintings is stealing now according to you ppl…lol

Oh so it’s different if it’s a program doing it? Please…lol

Shirasho ,

The difference being that the owners of the works in museums have given permission to view the content, and the people viewing the content are rarely trying to resell what they are seeing.

nutsack ,

this is probably true

Treczoks ,

If a company cannot do business without breaking the law it simply is a criminal organisation. RICO act, anyone?

MehBlah ,

Perhaps they should go back to what they were before the greed machine was spun up.

noxy ,
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The gall of these motherfuckers is truly astonishing. To be either so incredibly out of touch, or so absolutely shameless, makes me wanna call up every single school bully I ever endured to get their very best bullying tips

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