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Crismus ,

I’m glad I just setup Linux two weekends ago. It was simple to install all of my hardware worked well. I only miss a couple of minor features like the LED software and my overclocking software.

And those really aren’t that big of a deal since I haven’t had a failure to play a game so far.

It was at least 20 years since I tried Linux, and the changes are wild. I didn’t even choose a simple distro and haven’t even had too difficult of a time.

proton_lynx ,

Windows Recall + Kernel level anti-cheat. How could it possibly go wrong, amirite?

EmperorHenry ,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

O&O shutp10++

DoNotSpy11

XD Anti-Spy

all of these tools can be used to completely disable recall.

octopus_ink ,

And yet - should you have to actively work against the design goals of OS installed on your hardware? It’s great that some folks have found a way to successfully disable it, but that doesn’t give MS a pass.

Grabthar ,

Does your PC have an Intel or AMD CPU? Congrats, you don’t have to worry about Recall. At least for now, it only works on Copilot+ PCs with ARM processors.

Kongar ,

Until it shows up for everyone. That’s not paranoia, Microsoft has a bit of a trend in this department.

ZILtoid1991 ,

Well, not without also uninstalling Windows…

StephenTallentyre ,

[ Insert “I see this as an absolute win!” meme here ]

ZILtoid1991 ,

Except I’m a gamedev, and I’ll have to keep around at least one Windows PC. Might be a Win10 one with extended support updates.

StephenTallentyre ,

Oof. Yeah, I don’t use my computer for work, so I’d never even thought of that. That’s annoying.

patrick ,

I actually want this feature, but I want to own the data. There are some OSS projects writing basically identical things but they aren’t too popular (github.com/jasonjmcghee/rem seems to be the most popular I could find, but I wasn’t able to get the cross-platform version running on my machine).

I also wrote the dumbest possible clone of this feature in bash, the basic data gathering steps are actually pretty easy to do. I’d build this into a real program but I’ve just been too busy lately with other projects: jackson.dev/…/cloning-windows-recall-in-30-lines-…

KingThrillgore ,

Not use Windows 11 you say? Install Linux you say?!

n3m37h ,

We can’t uninstall our own keylogger, sorry!

arin ,

keylogging isn’t as bad as seeing EVERYTHING including visuals on screen

Slyme ,

“…can’t be uninstalled…”

Well sure it can, you just have to switch to Linux!

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Hmm, I wonder if there could be an exploit where Recall is covertly turned on, so it can be used to exfiltrate data. Not a good idea to basically have a surveillance rootkit sitting passively on your system, with no ability to remove it, just waiting to get abused by attackers. But using this proprietary garbage OS nowadays isn’t a good idea in general and there is a much better alternative.

scutiger ,

Windows does have its own command-line package manager. I don’t know if it can remove Recall, but last I checked it could remove Cortana. It would just get reinstalled soon after, but that could be prevented with some file-naming trickery. If you give a file the same name as the folder used to have and make it read-only, it couldn’t remake the folder and wouldn’t reinstall.

I wouldn’t be surprised if you can still do that now.

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Which one do you mean? Winget which is their newest attempt at creating a package manager that isn’t an absolute piece of garbage, or their crappy CLI for managing MSIX/APPX modules? Because I remember using the latter to try and remove Cortana back when I first tried Windows 10. Fast forward, I removed all the garbage I didn’t need, applied a Windows update, restarted my PC and it was all reinstalled. I wiped that SSD the same day and went back to Linux. This was the last time I used Windows on any of my personal devices.

scutiger ,

I was talking about Appx. I haven’t used Windows in a while, but that was how I got rid of Cortana. The key part was the read-only file named after the folder that couldn’t be replaced.

x00za ,

Malware developers don’t even need to have their malware running anymore to grab keylogs and screenshots.

Just enable Recall, schedule your malware for a month from now and it doesn’t even have to run anymore.

dubyakay ,

I did it! I did it over the long weekend. Been using Windows since 3.1 (albeit only switched fully from MSDOS when Windows 2000 came out).

I did a test run on my laptop during time away from home/desktop over the summer, using Linux Mint, to see if I can do work and school on an unfamiliar system exclusively. On Mint I never had to open the terminal and everything worked right out of the box. Cinnamon is very similar to Win10 too. Heck, I can’t even remember the installation procedure, it was so hands off and easy.

After two failed attempts of Arch on the same laptop, I’ve managed to install it with help of archinstaller on my main desktop. No idea what I’m doing, but I got it up and running to a state where I can do both work and school.

FUCK Windows and the constant nag it does everywhere. Good riddance.

JigglySackles ,

Lol I misread this as you’d been relying on windows 3.1 and never upgraded but that 11 including recall made you switch to Linux. I need to be more thorough in my reading .

dubyakay ,

That’d be hard core. Alas, I don’t have balls of steel and/or a mushy brain like that.

I bet there’s still someone out there that makes it work somehow.

JigglySackles ,

Lol i don’t doubt it. Some people get fixated and can’t be swayed.

1984 OP ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Good work getting through arch installer, it can be tricky too. I’ve been on arch for like 10 years and still don’t think anything else is better.

dubyakay ,

Not everything is as snappy as I’d like it to be yet. Maybe KDE Plasma is not the best for my 12 year old system. Been thinking I should have gone with the zen kernel.

But I’m having tons of fun while discovering it nonetheless.

fossilesque ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Well done. Mint is the gateway drug, perfect for users like you. Progress and attempts with arch are noble though! Glad it didn’t scare you off.

dubyakay ,

It did! I just checked and I put it (arch) on the back burner for four months.

But yes, Mint and similar easy to install distros are the way to go for someone new for sure. Probably don’t even need to move on from it ever, as long as it works.

RoyaltyInTraining ,
@RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world avatar

I applaud your bravery with Arch. Have some fun with it and don’t worry if you break stuff. Keep your files backed up and you’re golden! Even if you switch to a different distro later on, a lot of what you learn will translate 1:1.

dubyakay ,

I just really aimed for it due to the meme.

Babby’s first words are “I use arch btw”

Zink ,

Mint is great.

I use Linux Mint cinnamon on a daily basis, typically with one or two command line terminals open at all times (one normal and one in a docker container), and with some kind of code always open too. I use 4 monitors as well, which the same machine can’t handle when I boot into windows.

No apologies and no regrets. Being user friendly doesn’t mean it’s limited. It uses Ubuntu and Debian stuff after all, just with the controversial Ubuntu stuff removed.

dubyakay ,

I really love it on my laptop.

The only thing that scared me is its reliance on Ubuntu. I wonder if it can go beyond that some day somehow. Plus I wanted to try something different. I have no idea what I’m talking about btw.

absGeekNZ ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

Good choice on Mint.

I have been using Linux exclusively (personal) since 2008, distro hopped for a few years then settled on Ubuntu, until they shot themselves in the foot with 22.04 and the snap debacle; moved to Mint (after trying Pop, MX and a few others).

I have to say a big well done to the Mint devs, it is better than Ubuntu ever was; part of this is newer drivers etc…but it is very polished and it gets out of my way and lets me do my work.

Been working with the various flavors of Windows in a work capacity over the same stretch, in my opinion windows peaked with XP, 7 was ok, and 10 is also ok. But it really has been down hill since XP was retired.

dubyakay ,

Yeah, XP was pretty good.

After a lot of back and forth between MSDOS/Win98SE (I used to play a lot of QuakeWorld which did not need much), I finally got an AMD Duron 800 around 2000, and someone recommend me Win2k. It was a really stable system, way ahead of its time in terms of user management and services compared to Win98SE and early XP. I think I’ve stayed on it well past it’s final release. I got sucked into WoW in 2008, so definitely had to move on by then.

absGeekNZ ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

To be fair, you never forget your first. Amiga workbench for the A500 was some of the best computing…

wax ,

Out of curiosity, what step in the arch install did you have issues with on your first two attempts?

dogslayeggs ,

I hope enough companies realize the inherent danger to their IP this feature brings. Or that the government realizes the inherent danger to CUI data and forces there to be an admin level lock of the feature so normal users can’t just turn it on.

I and many others can’t just switch to Linux because we are required to use company laptops/desktops that are admin locked.

thermal_shock ,

shouldn’t be doing personal stuff on work computer. let the company deal with recall if they don’t want their shit leaked.

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

They didn’t mention personal stuff

thermal_shock ,

then he/she can let the organization decide about recall, it’s not up to him at this point unless he’s the owner. maybe the organization wants recall to further spy on employees and that’s a different reason to not work for them at that point.

lennivelkant ,

That… that’s what they were saying, no? Companies should worry about their shit.

werefreeatlast ,

Specially since there’s no Microsoft app that has ever securely functioned past a few days. This thing is gonna be hacked as soon as it comes out an we won’t know until until there’s an investigation into the accidental death of thirty innocent people as passengers in some vehicle somewhere controlled by windows 11 or something… Boeing re-entry vehicle maybe? Nah! You guys are good! Just jump in and come back home already!

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

If the US government bitching was enough to get the flight simulator easter egg removed from Excel (allegedly), I can’t imagine a similar stern glare from the Pentagon would not cause Recall to magically turn out to be uninstallable after all. At least from any US government owned computers originally so equipped.

Anyway, isn’t this only going to roll out on “Copilot” compatible PC’s with the requisite AI acceleration chips in them? I would be furthermore immensely surprised if it could not be locked out in Group Policy for corporate customers.

batmaniam ,

Somewhere, some patent lawyers are going to make millions debating about whether or not this constitutes “public disclosure”.

BmeBenji ,

I wonder if the advent of Windows 11’s “best” features will become known as “The Great Defenestration”

BmeBenji ,

False. The hard drive where Windows lives will soon find itself exiting my window

theherk ,

Ah the ol’ defenestration uninstallation.

kwomp2 ,

Dewindowed

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Nah, loot it for the magnets at least. Frisbee the platters, save the chassis for the scrap bucket (it’s solid aluminum).

demizerone , (edited )

They see a pile of cash and can’t resist. The only way it’ll truly stop is if users boycott everytime they try to bring it back, which will be neverending.

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