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stoy ,

Immagine if Chrome wasn’t just a rinky dink Safari emulator!

Wow, can’t wait to not only have my data harvested by Apple but also Google!

FFS, stop cumming for Chrome and start using Firefox!

Squizzy ,

By the time the masses move it will be an enshittified fork of chrome.

Petter1 ,

Edge?

lemmyvore ,

There’s no Firefox engine for iOS and Mozilla says it doesn’t make financial sense to port it.

vii ,

What exactly is there to port anyway?

sugartits ,

The rendering engine.

Currently Firefox on iOS is “just” a skin around the iOS provided renderer.

stoy ,

Gecko, the browser engine?

Ghoelian ,

Did they say that? Cause it looks like there is at least some work being done on this:

bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882872

FireWire400 ,
@FireWire400@lemmy.world avatar

In two years time Apple, and every other smartphone manufacturer on the EU market for that matter, will be forced to make the battery user replaceable and that one will most likely benefit everyone; unless Apple wants to release two versions of every iPhone to comply with EU regulations which they won’t.

Fishytricks ,

When they do come to it. I hope its the easily swappable like the ones in Nokia 3310. Otherwise its pointless imo.

FireWire400 ,
@FireWire400@lemmy.world avatar

AFAIK, the EU defines “user replaceable” as literally that; you open a hatch, pull the battery out and stick a new one in.

Fishytricks ,

Sounds really good to me!

Guadin ,
@Guadin@k.fe.derate.me avatar

They'll make the replacement so expensive nobody will do it. And then there will be a new rule mandating it needs to be a reasonable price. Apple will say it's reasomable because it factors in environmental costs, and so the dance continues.

nudnyekscentryk ,
@nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info avatar

Fuck, let’s hope they at least allow screws. Click-in latches are prone to breaking and wearing out

Walican132 ,

Yeah I don’t miss dripping a HTC phone and watching the pieces scatter.

FireWire400 ,
@FireWire400@lemmy.world avatar

They should do, although I can’t really imagine manufacturers incorporating plastic tabs into their sleek glass-metal sandwiches…

stoy ,

Meh, most iPhones live in a case, it’ll be fine

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

How many often are you planning on replacing the battery in your phone that it would wear out?

Sentient_Modem ,

The ware would most likely come from someone that has a spare battery that is ready to go. Think of your phone burning 80% of the juice and you’re about to hop on a flight that you’re barely going to make (no time to charge). Slap that stand by battery in and off you go. That’s what I did with my old Nokia or blackberry back in the day. Oh and for my HTC aria.

kameecoding ,

Sounds stupid, arent there charging ports on planes?

And other than plane where external battery is an issue, i just have a small brick that connect to my phone by the magnets on the back and wireless charges it, this is only really needed if you are doing something all day on the phone, like going around a city, taking pictures

aard ,
@aard@kyu.de avatar

With my N900 I used to travel with 6 to 10 charged batteries to have a few days of runtime. Things got better now with powerbanks - but for something like hiking just carrying a few spares would still be smaller and lighter.

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Honestly for hiking I’d suggest a power bank with solar charge capability. One thing to charge them all.

aard ,
@aard@kyu.de avatar

The space used by the smallest solar charger I’ve seen on Amazon seems to be similar to 6 or more batteries in the format the N900 was taking - so if you look at space, slow charging from solar charger, and reliance on sun conditions taking individual batteries seems to be the better option for a few days hike. It’s also easier to stow individual batteries to wherever you still have space left.

Petter1 ,

Hust make sure, that you can detach the solar panel. Batteries don’t like the heat and the solar panel most likely lives longer than the power bank, so you want them to be replaceable individually.

smokinliver ,

I have a Phone with a click-in latch and nothing wore our over the last 5 years

TheGrandNagus ,

Unfortunately, they do not define it that way.

And there are exceptions based on capacity and how long you guarantee the battery capacity will be good for. IIRC, if it still has 70% capacity by 3 years time, it doesn’t have to be replaceable at all.

FireWire400 ,
@FireWire400@lemmy.world avatar

Can you really guarantee that? I mean, it’s pretty much dependent on individual usage.

sugartits ,

Sure you can. Car manufacturers do it today.

You will have to define “3 years” as well. It can’t be a blanket 3 calendar year thing, it would have to be X number of cycles which the average user would realistically hit with 3 years of usage. Not someone glued to their phone playing games all day that need to charge three times a day.

EddoWagt ,

And there are exceptions based on capacity and how long you guarantee the battery capacity will be good for. IIRC, if it still has 70% capacity by 3 years time, it doesn’t have to be replaceable at all.

I do not remember reading that, the only exception I remember is for devices that are intended to be used under water, which phones are definitely not

datendefekt ,
@datendefekt@lemmy.ml avatar

Just like with USB-C, which the EU regulated and now the iPad and IPhone have.

nudnyekscentryk ,
@nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info avatar

the stupidest thing is iPad had USB-C since 2018! and yet on iPhones they latched on to lightning for another 6 years before EU forced them to standardize

JWBananas ,
@JWBananas@lemmy.world avatar

They were keeping their promise of 10 years of Lightning ecosystem support. Dropping the old iPod connector was highly controversial.

Zwiebel ,

They were earning millions from lightning royalities

Clusterfck ,

And theypromised to do so for at least 10 years.

hushable ,

no no no, that was just Apple being brave /s

9tr6gyp3 ,

Hopefully they keep selling a phone with no user replaceable battery. Id rather have the weather proofing than a battery i need to swap out one time after owning the phone for over 4 years.

themoonisacheese ,
@themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

How many times has your phone needed the weather proofing in the last 4 years? Mine is 0, at least twice. On the flip side, I have needed a new battery 2 times.

9tr6gyp3 ,

Ive needed the IP68 rating a handful of times. I have needed a new battery zero times on my 4 year old phone. If I need the battery replaced, Ill just take it to apple and have them swap it out.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/27474a47-8b9c-4eaa-8704-5f99400b3cea.jpeg

Its still at 70% usability, which still lasts me all day.

themoonisacheese ,
@themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s the thing though, why is apple the only ones authorized to swap out your battery? That service isn’t free, and they’re massively overcharging you for it.

It’s also not impossible to build a phone that is water resistant and has a swappable battery, but that’s besides the point. Personally I’d rather have a swappable battery.

9tr6gyp3 ,

Maintenance is never free, so im okay with a service fee every four years rather than buy new phones every time they get wet. Im not saying my particular view is right for everyone, but its what I want. I get why people want replaceable batteries. No problem with it. I just would rather not have them. So if there is an option for both models, one with, and one without that feature, this is a win for everyone. If not, and only one or the other is implemented, then its going to suck for whoever is in the party that got left out.

Nurgle ,

Everyone will benefit, but have to imagine relatively few will buy tools to actually take advantage of it.

moon ,

Begging iPhone to play the catch up game and just have Android’s basic features lol

Remavas ,
@Remavas@programming.dev avatar

Except that many Android phones also don’t have replaceable batteries anymore.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Hope it doesnt lead to smaller batteries though. It feels like it could since they have to put the battery so it’s accessible.

GeekySalsa ,

But it’ll also allow you to just carry 2 batteries and swap if needed. Even if you don’t want to do that, when your battery ages enough that you can’t at all go through a typical day, you can easily change it out yourself to a fresh one to refresh your phone.

TheGrandNagus ,

Unfortunately it won’t.

This legislation isn’t for batteries that replaceable. More like “can be swapped by a technician in 5 minutes” replaceable.

Additionally, if the manufacturer guarantees (IIRC) 70% capacity after 3 years, they don’t have to do anything at all.

Michal ,

To be honest I prefer to use a power bank, it’s more convenient than having to swap batteries (i used to do that too) as you don’t have to power down the device. And one power bank can power many different devices, so i don’t have to buy a new one when i Change phones, and can use the same power bank to charge my earbuds, kindle, smartphone, and a variety of other devices, or lend it to someone.

Having said that, i did have my Nexus 6P battery degrade and had to be RMAd, lucky for me it was within warranty. Battery is the fastest failing component so being replaceable will go a long way in prolonging devices lifetime, but doesn’t have to be user-replaceable.

riodoro1 ,

Oh, here he is. I was worried for a second we’ve lost him.

dinckelman ,

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    TrickDacy ,
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    What the hell? There are literally full OS alternatives for Android phones. The comment is light on specifics and none of it rings true afaik

    kameecoding ,

    I switched from android to Iphone and there is nothing I miss, I certainly don’t miss how shit the the usb in-ears were on android, all of them haf issues

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