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fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

Windows 11 gets a new all apps screen in the start menu*

kuneho ,
@kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

oh yeah, now one can accidentally close the Start menu by clicking in the gap between the panels.

experbia ,
@experbia@lemmy.world avatar

bunch of fucking interface designers so deep into their shit that they’re forcing everyone to chase the UX meta and play ranked competitive UI when 90% of everyone is just trying to be casuals and play what they’re accustomed to so they can unwind at the end of the day

“yes well you see moving every interface element on your computer to a totally new location results in a 0.0001% improvement in the average user’s workflow, therefore: bite the pillow, changes are coming, we’re the experts you dumb schlubs!”

Opisek ,

When was it ever about improving it for the end user? From the picture, it’s absolutely terrible. You have what, four folders taking up the whole menu? Yeah, Windows XP had a more efficient workflow than that.

experbia ,
@experbia@lemmy.world avatar

When was it ever about improving it for the end user?

back in the day when it was about building the best interface you could to last the product lifespan, maybe.

that’s not profitable for the designers tho - chasing the current design meta is their version of planned obsolescence for interfaces. “oh that interface looks old so it doesn’t work anymore” - statements dreamed up by the deranged and greedy.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

I actually liked how the start menu works in Win10, with the rearrangeable/resizable tiles you can put wherever and categorize however you want. That was closer to what’s pictured here, but this is still worse.

How do I get that back?

(…I actually liked Windows 8’s Start Screen as well. I understand this puts me in the minority. Everything else about the Win8 UI was a five alarm dumpster fire, but I liked having a big colorful full screen app launcher that could be arranged in any way you wanted.)

Blisterexe OP ,

How do I get that back?

you can change the kde (linux) launcher to look like that

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

I DON’T LIKE CHANGE

HK65 ,

I don’t like when a megacorp forces change on me for no good reason.

In Linux world, this would be an opt in new feature.

AnUnusualRelic ,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

I see you aren’t familiar with our good friends at Gnome.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Ah yes, the Apple “we know design better than you do” of the Linux world.

HK65 ,

I am familiar with them, but I use KDE btw.

alphabethunter , (edited )

It’s not as bad as people here are making it out to be. It actually might even be an improvement. It’s only for the all apps tab, and it organizes apps by their purpose, and you don’t have to click the folder to expand it and then click the icon, as you can just click the icon and it will launch it. I’ve been using Windows 11 since it came out, and the all apps tab is something I have barely ever used. All my important stuff is neatly organized in one single tab of my home star menu screen, and anything that is not there I’ll just look it up with search.

mr_satan ,
@mr_satan@monyet.cc avatar

But wont this change how search is displayed? Honestly, I hope I can keep my alphabetical order. Learning some algorithmic categorization is not what I want to spend my time at work.

KoboldCoterie ,
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

Looks like MacOS and various Linux distros had a deformed, illegitimate child.

Aatube ,

how lol? i see absolutely no influence from macOS or DEs

Rai ,

Right? That’s nothing like those… that’s insulting to MacOS and Linux.

kenkenken ,
@kenkenken@fedia.io avatar

It's awful, but KDE will copy it one day.

RangerJosie ,

Can write reskin Windows 11 to look like 95/98?

Cuz that would be cool. Just hide all the bullshit. Have a functional desktop again.

Blisterexe OP ,

You can’t rewrite windows to look like that, but you can make linux look like this:

https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/a3877a70-0b5b-4944-8bde-56eef8c360f2.webp

RangerJosie ,

That’s awesome.https://sffa.community/pictrs/image/c396fb8e-53f4-4283-a4d3-33e22e430962.webm

kyzen ,
@kyzen@mastodon.social avatar

@RangerJosie @Blisterexe Best I found online. https://uxthemepatcher.com/windows-98-classic-theme-for-windows-11/

I don't know how good it is though. I don't mess with my windows installation.

Blisterexe OP ,

theyre killing that stuff in the new windows 11 version

RangerJosie ,

It’s easier to 🏴‍☠️ a copy of Windows 10 than trying to work around Windows 11 I’m sure.

superterran ,
@superterran@lemmy.world avatar

I like the Phone Companion bar too. The folder grid is reminiscent of Windows 8 and is a nod to iOS… I guess haters gonna hate, but this seems like a nice improvement.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

I’ll be over here hating then.

This is the Window 8 menu bullshit all over again.

superterran ,
@superterran@lemmy.world avatar

I genuinely don’t understand what more people could want in a start menu, just needlessly against all forward momentum and change?

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Just against pointless change.

superterran ,
@superterran@lemmy.world avatar

You can see your phones status and recent messages from the start menu now! More start menu icons are exposed in the space they’ve added an organization mechanism. I think the point is to improve its usefulness

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

My personal phone is not linked to my computer. My work computer will never be linked to my work computer because I don’t have a work provided mobile phone. I do expect this new menu to nag the shit out of me to link a phone based on prior Windows ‘features’.

I don’t use windows messages.

I see fewer icons in the preview image than I see on the start menu now.

This is far less useful than the existing menu, which is less useful than the windows 7 menu. This is like how they hid half the things I used on the right click menu under the ‘show more’ option.

superterran ,
@superterran@lemmy.world avatar

Pretty sure the bar goes away when you don’t use Phone Link! I use Phone Link, as you should too assuming you own a phone. I like it because that + the iCloud app basically brings feature parity to my Macs built-in Phone integrations. The simping over Windows is bizarre, it’s like you guys are pissed that Windows 2000 isn’t still supported, come join us in the 21st century please. “Any feature I don’t personally use is pointless and bloat” is a childs argument.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

“Everyone else should be subjected to my preferences” is also a child’s argument.

If i wanted a Mac I would buy one. They are great for people who like them, but their extremely integrated environment is used to justify exclusive software and hardware requirements that I don’t want to be limited to. Windows forcing an online account is aping Apple and I hate it.

superterran ,
@superterran@lemmy.world avatar

How am I subjecting you to my preferences? Phone Companion disappears if it’s disabled, you’re upset because Microsoft added icon groups. How dare they upgrade your operating system, the monsters. In a world where they could have plastered it with ads, no less!

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Calm down, I just have a different preference than you.

superterran , (edited )
@superterran@lemmy.world avatar

You guys are admonishing Microsoft for investing in good improvements. Your preferences aren’t the issue, it’s your framing of any change as aggressively bad without justification that I take issue with. Other than you not personally using the feature, you have no justification whatsoever for your complaints. It’s just ignorant whining, and it only serves to set back an OS that desperately needs the overhaul. This whole sub seems fucked, it’s not just you.

EDIT: I’ve given this some thought and arrived at a POV where I may have been too hard on you. Maybe there’s a need that speaks to folks like yourselves, who are tech savvy enough that you’re on a Lemmy instance but really just want a prototypical Windows experience. To my mind, that’s crazy but here we are so I must be wrong on that front. I admit there’s nothing inherently wrong with that, it’s just annoying you’re in the same user base I am - someone who wants Windows to improve finally. Maybe we can agree that Microsoft should just go back to Windows 95 and cater to you guys, and leave modern computing to the professionals.

z00s ,

Thanks, I hate it

Had to spin up a virtual windows machine the other day and was just honestly appalled at how bad the desktop experience is these days

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

its not really that bad though half of the time i dont even use the start menu; i just use something like flow launcher or wox.

pyre ,

i guess they couldn’t find a way to not make it look fucking awful

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

People still use the start menu?

I just use the search bar and type in the app I’m wanting to run

Blisterexe OP ,

well window’s search is almost non-functional, so there’s that

Hawke ,

It’s the same thing. Click bottom left corner, start typin. best workflow.

cyberpunk007 ,

I can’t even tell you the number of times and apps I’ve literally typed the name of, and windows either doesn’t find it, or decides to make me wait 5-10 seconds while it searches the web instead. Super helpful…

paddirn ,

Not sure when it started, but I’ve already noticed some Start Menu fuckery with just the ‘Sign Out’ portion. I believe you previously just clicked on your profile picture/name and the options for signing out were right there. They’ve “helpfully” hidden those options now beneath a ••• menu for no apparent reason. I was a little aggravated when I first noticed it because it seemingly changed out of nowhere. Not a huge change, but it requires one more click to do now.

Dnb ,

Right click the start menu should be easier to get to iirc

primrosepathspeedrun ,

the changes in windows since 7 are a master class in UX design, as long as you remember it’s a negative.

flerp ,

That looks pretty ugly. I’m not really a fan of trying to make computers look more like phones but I think I’m in the minority there. Oh well, I never use the start menu anyways, I only have a few programs and they’re all pinned to my taskbar.

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