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The Google antitrust ruling could be an existential threat to the future of Firefox | Financials show 86% of Mozilla's revenue came from the agreement keeping Google as Firefox's default search engine

Mozilla has a close relationship with Google, as most of Firefox’s revenue comes from the agreement keeping Google as the browser’s default search engine. However, the search giant is now officially a monopoly, and a future court decision could have an unprecedented impact on Mozilla’s ability to keep things “business as usual.”

United States District Judge Amit Mehta found Google guilty of building a monopolistic position in web search. The Mountain View corporation spent billions of dollars becoming the leading search provider for computing platforms and web browsers on PC and mobile devices.

Most of the $21 billion spent went to Apple in exchange for setting Google as the default search engine on iPhone, iPad, and Mac systems. The judge will now need to decide on a penalty for the company’s actions, including the potential of forcing Google to stop payments to its search “partners completely,” which could have dire consequences for smaller companies like Mozilla.

Its most recent financials show Mozilla gets $510 million out of its $593 million in total revenue from its Google partnership. This precarious financial position is a side effect of its deal with Alphabet, which made Google the search engine default for newer Firefox installations.

The open-source web browser has experienced a steady market share decline over the past few years. Meanwhile, Mozilla management was paid millions to develop a new “vision” of a theoretical future with AI chatbots. Mozilla Corporation, the wholly owned subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation managing Firefox development, could find itself in a severe struggle for revenue if Google’s money suddenly dried up.

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@lemmy.world avatar

So Mozilla will find other forms of funding. That’s how this works.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

quite a good chunk of that goes to their ceo anyway.

vanderbilt ,
@vanderbilt@lemmy.world avatar

I am livid over her absolutely disgraceful management over Moz. When electron was building a de facto monopoly of Chromium on the desktop she made no moves to produces equivalent tooling. While Node grew into a behemoth she totally ignored it. The only thing that has come out of Moz in the last decade that mattered was Rust, and she’s already fired the Rust team. She is poison and serves only to suck up a salary that could fund development.

Mozilla needs its wake up call and to start being the underdog that makes something worth doing. With Manifest V3 and the anti-trust case on the horizon they have a fork in the road that will define what becomes of them. Hopefully she can make one good decision and it’ll be the right one.

umbrella ,
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thats ceos for ya.

i doubt they will escape from going through some bad times.

sparkle ,

Tax/fine Google more and give the profits to competitors like Mozilla (as long as those competitors use the funds for Firefox)

BobGnarley ,

Sounds too European for the “land of the free”

sparkle ,

The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy!

KingOfTheCouch ,
Buddahriffic ,

Specifically separate the browser side from the advertiser side. Get rid of that conflict of interest.

lvxferre ,
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Even if Mozilla survives it’ll need to cut off some spendings.

TheHobbyist ,

I can very much imagine this being a short to medium term issue (and still an existential threat to Mozilla), but hopefully, this improves the situation to the point that there is no future company like google who artificially maintains control over browsers and search engines, rendering competitors dependent on these massive contracts? I mean, this is what got them there, right?

Lets_Eat_Grandma ,

This isn’t a new threat. This was always a threat.

The things that give google money are the reasons why we don’t want to use google. The things that firefox does to get money are basically just giving google the thing that makes them money.

todd_bonzalez ,
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If Mozilla collapses for being too deeply intertwined with Google, I won’t mourn them.

Firefox is open source. We probably need to pass the torch to another maintainer anyway. Mozilla has been betraying their original mission a lot.

prof_wafflez ,

I’ll mourn them but now knowing this gross imbalance of funding it’s frustrating that CEO still has a job - and they will surely get a golden parachute while every other employee will just lose their job.

toasteecup ,

I would pay money to keep Firefox foss for other people who can’t afford to do so.

Etterra ,

Good. Open source that shit.

TheGrandNagus ,

I’m not sure what you mean, Firefox is already open source?

explodicle ,

Well then double open source it! No excuses!

Engywuck ,

Cool. Mozilla is a corrupt, useless org anyway. Not much better than Google.

doodledup ,

Mozilla isn’t and org. Mozilla Foundation is an org. And they get a fraction of that money. I don’t know what you’re talking about but you don’t either, it seems.

Kecessa ,

Tomato tomato

MCasq_qsaCJ_234 ,

Don’t worry, we have a possible replacement for Mozilla, meet Ladybird

aviation_hydrated ,

This project looks very cool, I hope it comes to be

FierySpectre ,

2026 though…

demizerone ,

That’s a pretty good date. Browsers are monstrous software projects. I just wish it was written in a memory safer language. Oh well.

doodledup ,

So who’s going to fund that who can’t fund Mozilla Foundation?

MCasq_qsaCJ_234 ,

Do you mean the other software projects or the other non-software projects?

If the former, there is the Open Technology Fund (OTF), but it is affiliated with USAGM which is part of the government.

demizerone ,

At least with this project when you donate it goes to direct development.

xavier666 ,

Zuckerberg : Heyyy…

coolmojo ,

Ladybird can set Google search as the default for a donation from Google. /s

ocassionallyaduck ,

Chrome is the existential threat to FireFox.

Chrome is… Also Google.

Break up Google, make chrome competitive, and then we’ll stop seeing advertisers own the web standards and implement things like AVIF and ManifestV3, and instead embrace open solutions that favor users.

The JPEG XL vs AVIF thing still makes me mad.

Petter1 ,

I hope some governments and EU see the need of a foss browser engine alternative from a non-profit and stuff some Money there

VanHalbgott ,

Why can’t Firefox use DuckDuckGo instead?

foofy ,

Firefox can do without Google being the default fine. What they can’t do without is all the money that Google pays them to make Google be the default.

ech ,

The problem isn’t the search engine - it’s the money.

dingdongmetacarples ,

The problem is would DDG pay them $500 million to be the default. That’s doubtful.

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