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EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

I cannot really be happy about being on Librewolf, because I am very afraid Firefox might eventually ditch MV2 as well. Mozilla is dependent on Google and is known for questionable choices, so…

hitmyspot ,

Would there likely be a fork at that point for those that wish to continue?

EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

This would be the same problem as in Chromium - you theoretically can, but in practice maintaining it with zero support from the original company would get increasingly hard.

jbk ,

Google forcing Firefox to do such a move sounds very anti-competitive. I don’t know if that would ever happen.

endofline ,

How do they force them? Just curious so asking

SpaceCadet ,
@SpaceCadet@feddit.nl avatar

Google bankrolls Firefox basically.

bloomberg.com/…/why-google-keeps-paying-mozilla-s…

Avatar_of_Self ,

Google pays Firefox hundreds of millions of dollars a year to be their default search engine. In 2021, this accounted for 83% of Mozilla’s revenue.

EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

They don’t! Mozilla “by themselves” just “agrees” that MV2 is obsolete because they “prioritize security”.

independantiste ,
@independantiste@sh.itjust.works avatar

Firefox supports MV3, with some tweaks such as the WebRequest limitations added by Google’s MV3 being removed from the Firefox implementation. I don’t think they will remove it

stevegiblets ,

Then it’s goodbye Chrome.

suction ,

“This destroys the Chrome”

VantaBrandon ,

Could turn out to be a good thing. All power users will dump Chrome practically overnight, a huge boon to the alternatives, that could actually give them enough momentum to compete with Google for a change. I’m sure they’ve considered this, probably an empty treat.

JackbyDev ,

I’m not sure how wide the intersection of power users that use uBO but also haven’t heard of the manifest v3 deprecation coming since like 2019 actually is, but that could be because I’m the type of person to randomly recommend browsers to people and discuss them a lot.

pyre ,

me too. a long time ago i practically forced everyone around me to switch to chrome. now I’m doing the opposite.

ghterve ,

I for one have been in denial and probably won’t switch away until it literally stops working. So, there’s hope.

GoogleSellsAds ,
@GoogleSellsAds@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s pretty optimistic, as tons of power users are still eating that Windows crap, too.

trafficnab ,

Every browser is either chromium (open source captured by Google) or exists because of a Google search contract (this represents 80% of Mozilla’s revenue), Google can’t lose

VantaBrandon ,

IT guys will stop using it…

Which means they’ll stop deploying it as the default browser on some large enterprises, it won’t ship as defaults in pre-baked images going forward.

Average joes and janes will use Safari and Edge depending on OS.

Where is their growth going to come from after this change? Chromebooks? lol.

I hope they do it, it will hurt them in the long run.

You can bet 300 new uBlock replacements to spring up practically overnight, some of them scams, reducing trust in the Google ecostystem.

unrelatedkeg ,

You can bet 300 new uBlock replacements to spring up practically overnight, some of them scams, reducing trust in the Google ecostystem.

Unfortunately it’s a bigger problem.

Google doesn’t plan to block uBlock Origin itself, but the APIs it uses to integrate into Chrome in order to function. This will effectively disable all adblockers on Chrome. uBlock won’t be removed from the Chrome extension store, it will just have 90% of its functionality removed.

Additionally, this isn’t a Chrome-only change, but a change in the open source Chromium, an upstream browser of Chrome all other Chrome-based browsers use (essentially everything aside from Firefox and Safari themselves).

The change itself is involved in changing the browser’s “Manifest”, a list of allowed API calls for extensions. The current one is called Manifest v2 and the new one was dubbed Manifest v3.

Theorethically Chromium-based browsers could “backport” Manifest v2 due to the open source nature of Chromium. However that is unlikely as it’s projected to take a lot of resources to change, due mostly to security implications of the change.

Vendors of other Chromium-based browsers themselves have little to gain from making the change aside from name recognition for “allowing uBlock”, which most users either wouldn’t care for or already use Firefox, so the loss for Google isn’t projected to be large, just as the gains for other vendors.

TLDR: uBlock won’t be removed from the Chrome extension store, but the mechanisms through which it blocks ads will be blocked. The block isn’t a change in Chrome but in Chromium and affects all Chromium-based brosers (all except Firefox and Safari). Other vendors could change that to allow adblockers but it’s projected to take a lot of time and resources.

erwan ,

There is already a “lite” version of uBlock origin that conforms to the new manifest and will still work.

There are still a few features missing, some can’t be implemented but others will be.

Railing5132 ,

Is it by the same author? Nik Rols, iirc?

Plopp ,

Raymond Hill (gorhill) is the author of uBlock Origin, uBlock Origin Lite, uMatrix etc.

Railing5132 ,

I remembered… poorly.

axum ,

The ‘block element’ picker is the big one that can not be implemented in the lite version.

Also included block lists can’t update unless the extension itself updates.

ipkpjersi ,

Those seem like really big hurdles. How can those be worked around?

Is it not possible to trigger a manual block list update?

axum ,

It’s not something that can be worked around. It’s specifically a design feature of manifest v3 to restrict these types of things.

Your options are to accept this or use a different browser.

cmhe ,

IT guys will stop using it…

No, they will not, if they didn’t already. Because convenience it key.

The browser war is over, and humans lost, corporations won. Google and other huge corporations control the biggest websites and most of the access to content on the internet.

They just need to make it inconvenient to use ad-blocking browsers.

They built their business on advertiser gambling, which seem to be flawed concept, because they keep on squeezing that tube for every penny more and more, in a race to the bottom.

But they are still in control of both browers and content so they have options to keep squeezing more.

So you want to use a ad blocker? Well, the browser that supports them might not be white listed (anymore) by the bot detector, and you have to solve captchas on every site you visit, until you come to your senses and use a browser, where ad blocking is no longer possible.

Oh, and all that is ok, because of “security”. Because letting the users be in control of their devices and applications is “in-secure”. They are just doing that to protect you from spam and scams, just trust them! Trust them, because they don’t trust you!

LainTrain ,

You’re absolutely right.

That said at least I’ll take this as my cue to peace out of the mainstream web and only use Links2.

Railing5132 ,

I’m looking into the possibility of moving my organization to FF. Office of about 200 endpoints. The sticky wicket that I don’t fully understand is Auth passthru to 365.

TdotMatrix ,

Does this help at all: support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/windows-sso

WhyFlip ,

“IT guys”? Chrome has a 66% market share globally.

VantaBrandon ,

Its not the IT guys themselves, its the aggregate influence. One large school campus flips the switch to Firefox on their next image deployment its a drop in a bucket, but when 1000 schools, 2000 government agencies and 5000 businesses all suddenly stop using Chrome the graph starts to move, because laypeople just accept the default.

IT guys are like browser-influencers, they tell their parents what to use, friends, and so on. We all used to recommend Chrome, I don’t anymore.

jackyard ,

Their new UI made the browser unusable anyway. Looks like a child toy to me.

I don’t really love Firefox’s default UI but I can customize it with about:config and userChrome.css to fit my taste.

pissclumps ,

Good riddance then. Fuck chrome

HawlSera ,

Oh no uses FirefoxAnyway…

daniskarma ,

Google needs to be ended.

figaro ,

When people say things like this, I wonder if they understand how impossible it is. Google is not just a company. It is a 2 trillion dollar entity. Even if Google search entirely fails, it will still persist. At this point, you may as well say, “The wind needs to be ended.” You don’t end the wind. The wind already won. It will outlive you, me, and our children.

What we can do is protect against it. We can deal with it. We can contain it. We can redirect it and repurpose it to be helpful. But ending it? That doesn’t happen.

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

When people say things like this, I wonder if they understand how impossible it is. The King isn’t just a powerful man. He is a divine being.

I mean money is just as made up as the divine right of kings, and it will end one day.

AhismaMiasma ,

They said the same about the divine right of kings.

calcopiritus ,

IBM fell. Ford fell. Facebook (the social media site, not the company) fell. Yahoo fell.

Sure, they haven’t stopped existing, but their relevance is nowhere near their peak. There’s no such thing as “too big to fall”.

GoogleSellsAds ,
@GoogleSellsAds@sh.itjust.works avatar

Most people here have a device in their pocket with either Google hardware or Google software. If even the nerds with a passion against ads can’t not buy something from the biggest ad company, who can?

ChonkaLoo ,
@ChonkaLoo@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you Google I hope shitty moves like this drives enough people away to better browsers like Firefox. It desperately needs a bigger market share.

Plopp ,

Not only a bigger market share. What’s keeping Firefox alive is the financial support they get from Google. If enough people move from Chrome to Firefox without Firefox also securing finances from elsewhere, Google could easily kill Firefox by just not giving them money and we’d all be left with just Chromium.

lemmyhavesome ,

I think the real reason Google is funding Firefox is because they’re afraid of being targeted in antitrust lawsuits. As long as Firefox is around, they have someone they can point to, to say they’re not a monopoly.

SaharaMaleikuhm ,

This 100%. You could maybe argue that Safari exists, but that is Apple exclusive I think, so it would probably not work as an argument.

Phegan ,

Please just us in using Firefox.

pyre ,

what’s a google chrome

remer ,

What’s a computer 🥴

piranhaphish ,

I know this reference

LainTrain ,

Just wait till they do this again with vision pro 2. Oh wait it hasn’t sold well enough. Lol!

x00z ,
@x00z@lemmy.world avatar

Laughs in Librewolf

hogmomma ,

Could a grease monkey script do something similar? I’m probably just talking out of my butt, but it seems like GM can sometimes do things easier or better (or just at all) that extensions can’t or won’t do.

Natanael ,

If GM can do it then uBlock can do it. The problem is restriction of APIs

hogmomma ,

Ah, gotcha.

madis ,

For other Chromium browsers or those who don’t see this yet, enable chrome://flags#extension-manifest-v2-deprecation-warning.

the_toast_is_gone ,

Sadly, this won’t stop Google from killing off Manifest V2.

GoogleSellsAds ,
@GoogleSellsAds@sh.itjust.works avatar

Google’s core business is selling ads. So anything that aligns with selling ads is the path they’ll take. Their users are the product.

trafficnab ,

Chrome really needs to be broken off from Google, the largest ad company owning the largest browser is clearly a huge conflict of interest

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