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ohlaph ,

Google Chrome is about to be disabled? Got it.

FangedWyvern42 ,
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

🖕

occhionaut ,

🖕🖕

backup has arrived

sugar_in_your_tea ,

🖕🖕🖕

Hmm, not sure how I managed that…

hamburgers ,

Eww

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

Google copying mrkrabs lol

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

I rlly hate how some sites don’t work on Firefox

Akareth ,

Same. For me, the big one’s my bank that requires its users to use Chrome, else it won’t let you log in. I got around this by using an agent-switcher extension in Firefox.

Enekk ,

I’m showing my age, but back when IE was basically the only browser and Firefox (Firebird back then) launched, people often lamented that things didn’t work in Firefox. The solution? People used Firefox and web developers were forced to make their shit work in Firefox. When Chrome came out, suddenly we had three real options and the way to make everything work? Open Standards.

Now, Chrome is in the position IE was back before Firefox came around. How ever will we make sure things work in Firefox??? Use Firefox. If enough people dump Google’s malware browser, the web has to go back to supporting multiple browsers through open standards.

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

Real

Squizzy ,

Thing is Google’s influence on Firefox is making it a worse company and browser as AI and privacy invading features take over.

InternetUser2012 ,

User agent switcher. I have zero issues since using it.

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

Gonna try later

Retrograde ,
@Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

Which sites?

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

Snapchat

BruceTwarzen ,

And nothing of value was lost.

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

I need it for one of my irl friends

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Have you reported issues for them? It’s in the menu somewhere. If Mozilla get a lot of reports for particular sites, they reach out to the webmaster and try to work with them to improve Firefox support - usually by removing proprietary Chrome-only features or by removing reliance on Chrome bugs that don’t exist in Firefox.

You can also report the issue at webcompat.com, just search to see if it’s already been reported first.

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

You can do that?

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Yeah. Just checked on my computer. Open the menu then click “Report broken site” near the bottom.

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

Oh okay

Shatpoz1288 ,

The more people use Firefox, the more web devs will be forced to ensure their website works on Firefox.

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

True

angelmountain ,

Let this be my warning to Google that I will never go back to their browser when they do. Challas! ✌️

Summzashi ,

I reckon they’re absolutely shaking with fear by your warning.

WhatYouNeed ,

I am user. Hear me roar!

irish_link ,

Glad I have firefox as well but also looking forward to a cool new project called Ladybird. ladybird.org

Not sure if its the right one but glad there are more projects out there trying to jump into the game. (I know extensions are a long way off for it but i see it as hope.)

Also please consider running pihole or adguard home. Or any other full home DNS add blocker. It will help.

Jarmer ,

Ladybird looks great! Very much looking forward to an alpha linux release so I can use it and give all kind of feedback.

itsnotits ,

if it’s* the right one

AceTKen ,
@AceTKen@lemmy.ca avatar

Looks like what I’d want to use, but to reach broad support it needs a Windows client as well.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

I honestly can’t wait to see how this plays out. Only Chrome, chromium and edge in their pure forms have dedicated to doing this. Most of the Chrome forks have said they’re going to fork and keep it running. It’s certainly going to give Firefox a shot in the arm, but there’s no lack of other competition either.

olympicyes ,

It’s probably 95% of windows users then who are affected by this.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

Oh yeah easily.

OhmsLawn ,

Especially those at work who can’t install their own software.

Scrollone ,

I don’t know how long the forks will be able to backport new features to their forked codebase.

I think the only sensible solution is to just switch to Firefox.

ipkpjersi ,

Eventually Firefox will switch to V3 anyway so it’s kind of just delaying the inevitable.

It sucks that this is the future of the Internet.

mint_tamas ,

Manifest v3 is already supported in Firefox (they must support it to keep the extension ecosystem alive), but they implemented it without the user-hostile restrictions.

ipkpjersi ,

Oh, I wasn’t aware of that, I thought the user-hostile restrictions were inherent to Manifest v3 and they were unavoidable.

Okay, maybe just maybe Firefox squeaks by unharmed then.

edit: I literally just had someone else tell me just now that “It’s not something that can be worked around. It’s specifically a design feature of manifest v3 to restrict these types of things.”

So which is it? I’m kind of getting mixed signals here.

edit 2: Oh, it sounds like Google has additional arbitrary restrictions on content blocking functionality, beyond what Manifest V3 itself has.

buddascrayon ,

I guess it’s a good thing I’m on Firefox now instead of Chrome.

kittenzrulz123 ,

Proprietary software sucks, use an open source browser like Librewolf.

Gemini24601 ,
@Gemini24601@lemmy.world avatar

Chromium is technically open source, but yeah, screw Google chrome

kittenzrulz123 ,

I’m aware, however Chromium (or rather Ungoogled Chromium) should only be used if a website doesn’t work on a Firefox based browser.

Oneironaut21 ,

Glad I’ve finally migrated to firefox…

jol , (edited )

What I’m scared is publishers taking this as a reason to simply start banning Firefox and other browsers.

tehWrapper ,
@tehWrapper@lemmy.world avatar

Or google to lock parts of its ecosystem behind chrome only.

SendMePhotos ,

Yeah but can’t you just get a thing that tells things that you’re using chrome when you’re not

Fashim ,

Yeah I’ve got an extension for it, it just changes the user-agent string.

I use it on YouTube because for some totally not suspicious reason Firefox won’t play videos but when I spoof it to Chrome everything works fine.

TJDetweiler ,
@TJDetweiler@lemmy.ca avatar

I’ve noticed significant YouTube quality degradation when using Firefox, but no issues with Chrome.

Got a link for the extension by any chance?

SendMePhotos ,

addons.mozilla.org/…/user-agent-string-switcher/

TJDetweiler ,
@TJDetweiler@lemmy.ca avatar

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/957d4903-d982-4b0d-9492-dde7410a8497.gif

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

User-agent is being deprecated, so it won’t work forever.

Also note that if people keep their UA as Chrome permanently, hit counters will count them as Chrome users, and the number of Firefox users will go down.

SendMePhotos ,

What is that relevant to? Genuinely curious.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

The comment I replied to was mentioning user-agent. User-agent is being deprecated (replaced by client hints) so changing the user agent will eventually stop working.

At the moment, the stats for browser usage rely on user agent as recorded by stats software used by various sites, so if you make Firefox pretend to be Chrome, you’ll be contributing to the Firefox user percentage going down.

SendMePhotos ,

Right but why is that relevant? What good or bad does a number going down do? If Firefox wanted to keep track they could just count the number of downloads right?

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

The issue is that sites will have even less reason to support Firefox if the number of people using Firefox goes down.

SendMePhotos ,

Ah OK that makes sense. Thank you.

jol ,

It takes more than changing your user agent to msk which browser you use. It’s trivial to know which browser you’re really using if they really want.

madcaesar ,

I’m pretty sure it’s much easier to mask your browser than detect the correct browser. In the end you’re just hitting a server for data, you fully control the call that is made.

jol ,

There are things you can’t do with extensions alone, like change how certain JS and CSS internals work.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Not always doable as they could be relying on non-standard features that are only in Chrome.

Not exactly the same thing, but my employer requires us to use Chrome for all internal stuff, as they’re using Chrome Enterprise Premium as part of their endpoint security solution, and of of course that only works in Chrome.

Maiznieks ,

Oh, publishers don’t want my traffic? Oh, nooo…

jol ,

Publishers don’t care about traffic thay only costs them money.

Jarmer ,

There’s already plenty of business web apps that require chrome. I specifically use a business focused web app that not only requires Chrome, but ONLY CHROME ITSELF and no chromium derivatives. That’s the first time I’ve come across that. I had previously seen chrome requirements, but they worked just fine on ungoogled chromium. Not this one, nope. Regular Google Chrome and nothing else. wtf is that garbage.

jabjoe ,
@jabjoe@feddit.uk avatar

You can get past these with a user agent, lying about which browser it is. However, they aren’t testing for other browsers, so their site maybe as buggy as hell. As yet Firefox doesn’t do a WINE and match Chrome, bug for bug, so sites work as intended. Google have cause IE6’s return.

Jarmer ,

It was indeed buggy, which was when I reached out to support. They immediately asked if I was using not Google Chrome itself, but a Chromium offshoot like Brave or Vivaldi. I was using ungoogled chromium, so they told me it won’t work. I switched to regular google chrome and it worked great. I wonder what on earth they’re using that’s part of Google Chrome that makes it work and not part of any other chromium projects.

jabjoe ,
@jabjoe@feddit.uk avatar

Monoplistic web hell scape.

WhatYouNeed ,

An ecom site decides to block 5% of web traffic and potential sales?

Now tell the marketing team you are turning away 1 in 20 potential customers because (well, not really sure why) and see what they have to say.

aesthelete ,

The modern Internet is completely unusable without an ad blocker. Way to remake ie6, Google!

Ragnarok314159 ,

Got my boomer mom to finally install an ad blocker. She was tired of looking at a webpage, having an ad give some kind of script run error, and then it reloads back at the top. It’s a big problem on the cooking websites she goes to.

I would rather go back to the days of shitty pop-ups you can just close. These ads are far worse, and none of them even make sense.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

the cooking websites she goes to.

based.cooking doesn’t have everything, but it’s growing and the site is very clean.

nossaquesapao ,

What a really interesting initiative. I will try to contribute some things in their repo.

Ragnarok314159 ,

This is amazing and thank you.

pete_the_cat ,

Every time I turn off uBlock and reload a webpage I’m like “JFC this is eye cancer”.

RufusFirefly ,
@RufusFirefly@lemmy.world avatar

Even with an ad blocker, it gets more unusable every year that goes by

madcaesar ,

DO YOU WANT TO ACCEPT OUR COOKIES OR CUSTOMIZE THESE BULLSHIT OPTIONS???

RufusFirefly ,
@RufusFirefly@lemmy.world avatar

The only options I want are Girl Scout thin mints or peanut butter cookies

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Missing Samoas, those are delicious.

nossaquesapao , (edited )

I already know a few people who were just marginally digitally literate, and now they can’t read things like news articles and access several kinds of services anymore, unless someone helps them, because they don’t property know how to close invasive popups and solve captchas.

The internet is literally becoming unusable for some people.

RufusFirefly ,
@RufusFirefly@lemmy.world avatar

I’m in my mid 60s and know a few people that never even heard the term “browser extension” before. How they tolerate using the web with no ad blocking is beyond me.

shimdidly ,

I’m not worried about this at all. I don’t use Chrome anyways. I use Brave. It has a built-in ad blocker that works pretty well and I don’t see that going away.

person420 ,

Here’s the concern with Brave since it’s Chromium based:

For as long as we’re able (and assuming the cooperation of the extension authors), Brave will continue to support some privacy-relevant MV2 extensions—specifically AdGuard, NoScript, uBlock Origin, and uMatrix

source

My emphasis, not theirs

Evilcoleslaw ,

I don’t really use Brave as I don’t want to support the Chromium/Blink/V8 monopoly, but aren’t it’s built-in “Shields” functionally equivalent to uBO but not reliant on the extension APIs?

person420 ,

Probably, hopefully, who knows for sure. That’s the problem with using an open source project run by a corporation.

ArchRecord ,

Adblockers are the largest .

Google isn’t just disabling an extension, they’re attacking a boycott comprised of 200,000,000+ people, all around the globe, standing up to forced manipulation of our beliefs and habits by profit-hungry corporations.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

I never thought about it that way. Interesting. Thanks!

Ragnarok314159 ,

If Google presented me with ads for things I might be interested in and in a non-invasive way, wouldn’t mind looking at them at all.

Instead I get ads for the seemingly random shit I have absolutely zero interest in buying. How they are consistently wrong about my spending habits is unbelievable. I have two fucking hobbies! I don’t see ads for anything relating to them. Ever.

pete_the_cat ,

Also, there’s like 10 per webpage, and then you have the damn pop-ups when you scroll 🤬

madcaesar ,

Ad blockers block more than just shitty ads. They also block malicious ads.

theoretiker ,

Sounds like you need to give Google more private information

itsnotits ,

a boycott comprising* 200,000,000+ people

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

You’re correct, and now people will boycott Chrome. Firefox and Brave are good / accessible / easy to get for most people so…

masquenox ,

Chrome who?

jol ,

It’s an outdated fork of Safari, i think.

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