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the_doktor ,

Welp. Fuck Raspberry Pi. The entire stock market is one big scam.

exanime ,

Got my last Pi (RBP5) to try to set up a simple TV player under linux… unfortunately the performance was shit… had to go with Android and it’s barely OK (bang for buck)

With the IPO I expect RBP are going to become more expensive and significantly enshitified… so that’s that

sugar_in_your_tea ,

? RPi5 is something like 2x faster than RPi4. Are you using some format that RPi doesn’t accelerate? Or are you running something heavy?

I almost picked up an RPi5 to replace my NAS, but the SATA hat was out of stock so I just did a smaller upgrade with stuff laying around my house (Phenom II x4 -> Ryzen 1700, mostly for power savings).

ashok36 ,

Pi5 doesn’t have h264 hardware. Pi4 is probably better for media centers right now.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

That’s encoding, right? It seems to have 4k60 HEVC decoding, which should be plenty for a media center.

ashok36 ,

That assumes your media collection is all hevc. That’s not the case for most people.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

It only needs to be HEVC for 4k content, 1080p works fine in pretty much any format. Most people probably have mostly 1080p or 720p content.

ashok36 ,

Yes, that’s my point. If you have a library full of 1080 h264 then the pi 4 is a better choice. The Pi5 will struggle with software decoding compared to the 4.

At the end of the day, they’re different boards with different use cases. I think a lot of people don’t appreciate that enough.

jaybone ,

What software do you run for that, and is there support for a remote control?

ashok36 ,

For a standard media center, kodi is pretty great.

exanime ,

I was planning to use it to drive one of my TVs, so basically to be an HDTV player.

The Raspbian OS was fine, the Emby client would not start and the performance on the web client was not great.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Ah, okay. I’m not familiar with Emby, I’ve mostly only used Kodi on my RPi4. I’m guessing there’s a way to get reasonable performance, but you may need to transcode.

jaybone ,

What software were you running?

exanime ,

I was planning to use it to drive one of my TVs, so basically to be an HDTV player.

The Raspbian OS was fine, the Emby client would not start (segmentation fault) and the performance on the web client was not great.

Now on Android, Emby client runs pretty well (better than on the FireTV sticks I am trying to replace) but I could not get Google Play working (yet) which left me without F1TV (the only “other” vid app I care about for now to run on the TV)

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

So what do we use now that Raspi has gone to shit?

yessikg ,
@yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Orange Pi, Pine64 sbcs, Libre Computer Board, and mini pcs

Natanael ,

Who had broad software and driver support?

Grippler ,

Mini PCs have the same level of software and driver support as any desktop PC, so probably even better than raspi.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Shit. Need to grab a couple spare Pis now while they’re still good.

c0smokram3r ,
@c0smokram3r@midwest.social avatar

Was hoping to set up a Pihole soon but now this, ugh! Any other alternatives???

Kecessa ,

There’s tons of cheap Dell computers with small form factor and much better specs…

ShepherdPie ,

I have a couple and they are great machines but don’t completely fill the space for the Pi which works great in embedded systems along with having so many accessories, hats, etc.

zout ,

Odroid has some nice boards, though I find them pricey.

bitwaba ,

You can buy some old thinclient lenovos on eBay for super cheap.

There’s other board manufacturers as well… basically just replace “raspberry” with some other fruit and there’s probably a Pi of it

I personally think the best thing to do is find a used Celeron laptop and disable the lid switch setting. Now you’ve got a server with a built in UPS.

Or just fire it up in a docker container because you’re already running Linux right? RIGHT?

c0smokram3r ,
@c0smokram3r@midwest.social avatar

Haha! Yezzz. Well, I installed Ubuntu in a mid-2014 Macbook pro I acquired. 🤷🏼‍♀️ every comments section seems to have so many users shitting on Ubuntu so idk what is going on

bitwaba ,

Ubuntu (or Canonical, their parent company) has gotten more pushy with their paid service. Personally for me, I’m moving off of Ubuntu to Debian pure systems or Arch because when I ssh to my Ubuntu file server, the MOTD tells me I can pay for some kind of premium service and get 35 additional security updates. So, that’s it. That’s my line in the sand. Don’t advertise to me on my terminal

(And then there’s all the shit about Snap being installed by default, and I’m just at a point where I only want installed what I want installed, etc)

But you do you man. If Ubuntu works great for you, stick with it. You may change your mind later down the road, you may not. As long as you’re happy with it right now that all that matters.

c0smokram3r ,
@c0smokram3r@midwest.social avatar

Thank you for the great answer! Yeah, works well for now, but I agree with all your points. Gonna check out Debian!

refreeze ,
@refreeze@lemmy.world avatar

If you don’t need the GPIO then buy a small form factor office PC like a Dell Optiplex Micro or a Lenovo/HP equivalent. They cost about the same on the used market, are more performant without the ARM headache and use only marginally more power (maybe 5-10w more at idle).

morbidcactus ,

If you want a SBC, a lepotato works really well, supposed to be more performant than a 3B. I used as an alternate to a raspberry pi for a klipper setup, running armbian on it now.

There are updated versions of it as well if you need more performance, but they’re cheaper than an equivalent pi and importantly, purchasable which was an issue when I was putting together that printer.

empireOfLove2 OP ,
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Pi-hole can run on any supported computer+operating system (Linux x64 or ARM based) or in a docker container, you aren’t limited to using an actual Pi.

c0smokram3r ,
@c0smokram3r@midwest.social avatar

Thanks for the info! Will def check it out! I recently acquired a mid-2014 MacBook Pro & added Ubuntu. Thoughts??

empireOfLove2 OP ,
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

That’d be fine. Laptop cooling fan might die from being on all the time as well as mechanical drive issues at that age but it’s solid hardware otherwise. Pihole is not overly intensive. Ideally make sure the pihole machine is on a wired network connection inside your LAN, because wifi routing latency will be bad otherwise. So that may necessitate a thunderbolt ethernet adapter, but I’ve bodged together much worse before lol.

TheLemming ,

As someone running a pihole off an old radio 2B, your MacBook will be more than sufficient to run what is needed. My only advice would be to get an Ethernet adapter if that model doesn’t have one. Losing valid dns queries due to wifi packet loss would be annoying. Beyond that, just google a guide and go, it’s super straightforward to set up and manage.

c0smokram3r ,
@c0smokram3r@midwest.social avatar

Awesome, TY!

1100000011110 ,

I bought a router that supports OpenWRT, and then installed AdGuard right on my router

impure9435 ,

As long as Raspberry Pi doesn't start ripping off their customers, I will happily stay with them. Most other SBCs are made by Chinese companies, which I definitely won't buy. Hell no, I'm not supporting the Chinese economy.

cm0002 ,

As long as Raspberry Pi doesn’t start ripping off their customers

Give it 2 weeks (max) after the IPO

Hell no, I’m not supporting the Chinese economy.

Lol, I agree with you, but realistically you probably have only avoided a fraction of Chinese made crap

BrianTheeBiscuiteer ,

I’d be amazed if most of the Pi components weren’t from China but feel free to correct me.

tburkhol ,

I don’t so much care where it’s made. The real selling point, to me, for Pi is that their products are well documented, in English, and solutions for problems are easily googled. There’s tons of SBCs out there, some of them even inexpensive, but I can’t tell if any are going to last longer than a single production run. Meanwhile, I can still buy a Pi 3 after almost a decade. Or I can take the hat I made for a Pi3, plug it straight into a new Pi Zero, and expect it to work without changes.

IPO is a big step down the path to enshittification, especially when there’s no clear, dominant alternative.

peopleproblems ,

:(

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

It could be neat if there was such a thing as like a FairPi (like FairPhone I mean, e.g. repairable). Arguably that would have almost defeated the main purpose of a $5 USD Pi, but sustainability is still cool, for those of us willing to pay 3x the price or whatever.

skybox ,

Here’s to hoping a solid sbc with gpio pins and solid software support shows up as a competitor to keep them in check?

ashok36 ,

I’m sorry but all of these doom and gloom comments are insufferable.

A. The raspberry pis that you have known and loved are all still around and, considering inflation, cheaper than ever. If you’re complaining about prices, stop buying from scalpers!

B. All this talk of enshittification and decline is purely and 100% speculative. You are acting like your catastrophic fears are a forgone conclusion when they’re, at best, a guess.

Halosheep ,

You are a pretty optimistic person.

ashok36 ,

Maybe. I’ll be the first one to call out bad behavior but at this point it’s just knee jerk anticorporate fervor.

The worst thing raspberry pi ever did is dare to be an electronic company during the worst electronics part shortage in our lifetime. People complaining they couldn’t get a pi to do their dinky personal project are the epitome of having first world problems. Prices and availability have been back to normal for over a year now and people still gripe about it. I’m just over it.

federino ,

fuck us

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Might be good, maybe we’ll get an OS competitor then. It’s harder for hardware, but not impossible. An open source, fabless microcontroller built by a nonprofit, perhaps? A lot of universities have labs with the budget to allocate for this as part of a consortium

crimsonpoodle ,

I like your optimism best to look on the bright side and all— curious what do you mean by fabless? Do they not require as complex facilities because they’re a larger process or something? Or for some other reason?

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

I was thinking maybe there could be different SoCs or machine learning oriented hardware, and if there are multiple designs then they could be put together somewhere else. Some research labs are specializing in different types of semiconductor devices, which I think might be interesting to explore on a microcontroller

afraid_of_zombies ,

been slowly replacing the PLCs with PIs at my work.

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