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GBU_28 ,

Who cares? Buy em or don’t.

Shurimal ,

At these prices I'd expect at least 32 GB of RAM. 8 GB is for entry level phones and SOHO 2 to 4 bay NAS boxes.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

The ramifications of Apple standardizing on-die RAM are going to be felt all over.

AnUnusualRelic ,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

PC (so, presumably meant for Windows) laptops with 4GB are still all over the place.

They’d probably work reasonably well under [not Windows]. How well they do with Windows is left as an exercise for the reader.

FlorianSimon ,

Not at the same price point, and definitely not in “Pro” devices though

pathief ,
@pathief@lemmy.world avatar

Here in Portugal the lowest is 8gb. The 500 euro models have 16gb already.

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Macbooks are meant to be for creative professionals and those of us deluding ourselves into thinking we might one day be one of those

8G RAM for that purpose is NOT enough in 2024. Shit, it barely was when I went through college in 2016 with a macbook (which is why our models had 16)

pancakesyrupyum ,

I spent about a year arguing with C-levels that our fleet running 8GB was slowing down productivity, with evidence to prove it. It was like pulling teeth to procure some SODIMMs.

I’d still say this article is coming at things from the wrong perspective. That $700 Walmart M1 MBA is more than adequate for most kids doing school work, and/or grandparents farting around on FB. If you have a family and had to grab a few identical laptops, and you aren’t able/willing to be tech support, it really makes a lot of sense financially.

echodot ,

If you were just going to use it for browsing the web then you don’t need anything that’s capable as an M1 processor, you’re just paying for performance overhead. Just buy a cheap Lenovo. Yeah I know we don’t like Windows but it’s a well-known operating system and when it inevitably breaks you don’t have to go to Apple to fix it. Any random PC repair shop will be able to deal with it.

IamAnonymous ,

Just need to make sure the cheap Lenovo has sufficient RAM. I have a $300 HP laptop and it’s slows down if I have more than 10 tabs open on Firefox.

echodot ,

What you mean more than 8 GB yeah I think we might be able to achieve that.

snownyte ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

This author needs to go back to a time where you had to manage 512MB of memory.

People back then would've killed for 8GB now.

The problem I see though is software developers having a field day with not caring about optimizing and not making their software bloated as possible so that it doesn't require so much memory.

ares35 ,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

the 'problem' is: you can't upgrade; you're stuck with that 8gb.

want more in a year or two? you have to buy a new mac. and that's apple's goal--sell more product. buyers will be back (because they're hooked on the platform and ecosystem) to buy a new one sooner than they otherwise would have.

snownyte ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

Well that's what you get for being a tool and buying Apple products.

All of us PC users have had the convenience of upgrading anything we want. While Apple users just bitch about the choices they've made where a company decides how much they think they need and whether or not they can upgrade.

Wah wah wah.

ares35 ,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

it's not just apple anymore. all the major 'pc' makers have non-upgradeable laptops now.. just not across their entire line-up (yet).

xep ,

Yes, no big deal. We can go back to having 640x480 displays too.

Hule ,

1.2 GB hard drives, too.

I had to think twice, it didn’t sound right…

billiam0202 ,

The first HDD I ever bought was an 80 GB Maxtor. I have games now that wouldn’t even fit on that drive.

a_wild_mimic_appears ,

my first HDD was a whopping 40MB big (you could fit sooo many floppys on that!), weighed 10 pounds and was about the size of a watermelon. when starting wing commander i could determine - by the noises the motors in that thing made - at what point of the loading i was (like an acoustic progress bar lol).

billiam0202 ,

You realize that just because things used to be worse, doesn’t invalidate complaints about how things could be better now, right?

snownyte ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

I think the comparison went over your head and I didn't use a word wrong. Try not to think too much into it. Oh wait, you did.

echodot ,

That’s a daft take. The reason that software now requires more RAM is because it can do more than in 1998.

snownyte ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

That doesn't excuse the ridiculously high requirements.

echodot ,

Yeah it does because no one in 2024 expects those limitations to exist. You can find software that can run on 15mb of ram but what’s the point when 99% of systems won’t have that limitation?

GnuLinuxDude ,
@GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml avatar

What kind of stupid world is it where 8GB of RAM is actually not enough? I’m not doing anything that fundamentally different to what I was doing 10 years ago, and back then 2GB was fine on the low end of things.

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

It’s like adding lanes to a highway, it doesn’t reduce traffic, it increases demand. Developers will create software that needs more ram just cause they can. So unless you want to be running office 2010 then it’s necessary.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Not gonna lie, writing code in various ways can be more efficient processing time wise, but often at the cost of complexity, or readability or time to code it.

As phones have gotten faster, and depending on what I’m working on, I’ll often take the easier to code and read route than the absolutely best optimized route.

Although there are definitely times you still need to optimize

jorp ,

It’s less about individual developers writing bad code and more about whole inefficient frameworks gaining popularity because of ease of use or deployment

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Are those frameworks so poorly written they can’t be optimized then? That’d have a pretty substantial impact if widely adopted.

jorp ,

I’d argue that’s true in some cases, for example web apps might work well enough on modern device hardware but they’ll never meet the performance of even mid-tier native apps

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Ah gotcha. They’re just inherently less performant in some/many cases but that provides a benefit in some other way.

mojofrododojo ,

640k should be enough for anything right?

fuck progress, eh?

goddamn this is dumb.

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

I too come to the internet to feel and be generally mad at random things

Asifall ,

Because ram is incredibly cheap and developer hours are incredibly expensive. I think it’s a bit silly too but there’s just no financial incentive for companies to care about memory usage when they know most consumer devices have tons of extra headroom.

Veedem ,
@Veedem@lemmy.world avatar

Everyone’s experience and usage is different, but I have a base M2 MacBook Air with 8gb of RAM and besides web browsing, streaming/air playing some videos, and typing some documents, I don’t do much else. I never feel the need for more RAM.

FontMasterFlex ,

How is it not true? Damn near everyone I know that has a macbook uses it to cruise the internet and look fancy doing it.

Dirk ,
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

I can’t remember when I had such little RAM in a machine I own.

lengau ,

I can! It happened to be the last Mac I owned, which I bought in 2008.

DdCno1 , (edited )

My mid-range 2014 laptop has this little. This was considered the minimum for a productivity-oriented device a decade ago.

Much to my annoyance, it's also one of the first (edit: modern) laptops with non-upgradeable RAM, which I didn't know beforehand. It's still usable, but I'm using Firefox instead of Chrome (so 50 tabs are no issue) and it's never been my primary device.

TechNerdWizard42 ,

Do not take anyone that buys a mac seriously. In any way.

32GB has been my minimum laptop memory for YEARS now. My current laptop was 64GB from the factory and 2 years later I made it 128GB. Nice socketed ECC RAM. If the RAM or SSD is soldered on a laptop, I’m not buying it.

lengau , (edited )

Oh Timmy… Linux typically uses less RAM than macos and I have 64 gigs in my laptop.

CoriolisSTORM88 ,

Admitted, I haven’t read all the comments. I bought a refurbished M2 Mini to use as a cheap media server last week, and so I can use AirMessage with apple users in my life. The M2 Mini is a step down in every way from my ancient mid 2012 MacBook Pro except heat and efficiency. RAM, gotta pay extra for it. Disk space, gotta pay out the ass for it too, and you can’t even get a Mini with the amount of apace I put in my mid 2012 MBP. (4TB)I want to like it, but it’s SO LIMITING without paying out the ass and getting nickel and dimed for everything. I love macOS, especially compared to the disaster that is windows 10 and 11, but it’s ridiculous and so anti consumer nowadays! Which to be fair, Steve Jobs’ ultimate goal with all their products was to make it this way. Want to backup an iPad and iPhone? Good luck. You run out of space almost immediately with the 256GB of storage. Want to use an external disk for those backups? Use symbolic links and terminal, but you’ll have to manually move them to the Mac if you ever need to restore. I have a 6tb external disk attached to it now, but I’m afraid I’m still gonna be hamstrung somehow. All my photos, time machine backups, and media are on the external for obvious reasons. I was also going to pick up a MacBook Air 15" m3 (with upgrades) from Apple, but I’m really rethinking it right now, macOS or not.

werefreeatlast ,

My car radio update would have much more than that! LOL.

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