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moitoi ,

By the way, I read that it’s in the EU. The regulation applies in the EEA (EU+Norway+Iceland+Liechtenstein).

nao ,

Can’t wait to try a real Firefox (with Gecko) on iOS. Maybe it will be better than Safari in some regards, maybe not. But it will be nice to have more than one option to choose from.

bruhduh ,
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Ublock in firefox on ios goes brrr

MxM111 ,

Not clear what would happen with in-app purchases.

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    pineapplepizza ,

    Here is the thing:

    You have the choice to not install the alternative stores and do as Apple allows.

    Others, in the EU, will have the choice to not be locked behind the iron curtain.

    shiftymccool ,

    The shiny white curtain, now with titanium! (for some reason…)

    Aatube ,
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    MySpace was great, man. You don't see very customized pages on social media anymore

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    Aatube ,
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    i dig these

    cm0002 ,

    Android is shit hot garbage

    How? It has its issues so does iOS, but at least I can customize just about whatever I want to my liking without even rooting (and with root, the sky’s the limit even a custom kernel)

    Hell I’m running a Star Trek LCARS OS skin on my third party launcher right now, and that’s been a dream of mine since I was a kid lmao

    I would never have been able to do that on iOS without dealing with jailbreaking. You can’t even change the icons on iOS without jailbreaking ffs, and that’s been a native android feature for…I don’t even know how long lmfao, since it’s inception maybe?

    bloup ,

    Yet again, we lack the only detail anyone actually cares about: how does Apple plan on actually limiting this functionality to the EU?

    It’s difficult for me to imagine how they can comply with this but only for EU customers in a manner which can’t be easily circumvented. It kind of bothers me that journalists just parrot “these changes will not be coming to jurisdictions outside of the EU” uncritically, seemingly just completely taking for granted the idea that there’s not going to be any way to benefit from this if you don’t live in the EU.

    ares35 ,
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    i think it would be rather trivial for them to restrict features to secure (not rooted) devices connecting to eu towers via eu carriers (perhaps also owned by eu customers)

    uzay ,

    But you can use iPads and iPhones without a SIM card? I don’t think it’s trivial at all.

    bloup ,

    Not super familiar with EU law, but it was my understanding that a company that wants to be allowed to operate in the EU can’t just start violating an EU citizen’s EU granted rights just because aren’t literally geographically inside the EU at the time of the rights violation.

    In other words, it’s my understanding that Apple would be liable for damages if, for instance, an EU citizen on vacation suddenly lost access to alternative app stores and such.

    nicetriangle ,

    Yeah that's what I'm curious about. I have a US apple account because that's where I'm from, but I live in the EU and don't really wanna change accounts or screw with anything.

    empireOfLove2 ,
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    Devices are very strictly controlled on a hardware level for the market they are designed to operate in. It’s a requirement to obtain licensing for management of radio spectrum.

    It’s trivial for iOS to check the internal hardware of any phone, see that it is an EU export model with all of thr Apple DRM active so you can’t fake it, and adjust accordingly.

    abhibeckert ,

    Sure but they’re also sold secondhand. Also people can be born in one country, but move to live in another one… bringing their devices with them. Apple’s DRM can’t be tied to hardware.

    Also - what if a user doesn’t have an account with Apple at all? How can Apple know what country they’re from? Signing up for an Apple ID is optional when you setup an iPhone - you only really need one to access the App Store and there are now alternative methods available to install apps in the EU.

    There are different antennas on different devices, but all of them generally work everywhere in the world - it worst your bandwidth might be a bit lower.

    Aatube ,
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    they’re also sold secondhand

    Apple probably doesn't care about that, there aren't much people who'll be doing that to warrant worrying about it. I mean, are the very FOSS folks going to switch to Apple just because of this? Unlikely

    Also - what if a user doesn’t have an account with Apple at all? How can Apple know what country they’re from?

    Defaults based on the model's market.

    GigglyBobble ,

    Sure but they’re also sold secondhand. Also people can be born in one country, but move to live in another one… bringing their devices with them. Apple’s DRM can’t be tied to hardware.

    Why not? What happens in the examples you gave? The EU won't forbid such devices entering the EU or they'd have to confiscate them off tourists. How many Americans do you know who have EU devices and vice versa? That issue may be negligible.

    JackGreenEarth ,

    If a non European citizen goes to the EU, the law should force Apple to apply this freedom to their devices too, at least while they’re there.

    Aatube ,
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    Two ways:

    1. Software Country and Region
    2. By extending the country-specific models Apple already manufactures. For example, Chinese models can shut off WiFi access to any app, and this is only present in Chinese models and can't be changed with the software Country and Region switch.
    bobbytables ,

    So, the .5 per annual install for alternative marketplaces seems to be the stop gap, right? A popular FOSS store like f-droid would have to cough up thousands of Euros.

    Would it be possible to sell an alternative marketplace for 1 Euro on the app store, pay Apple’s purchase commission and use the rest for the annual install fee?

    fresh OP ,

    They are also apparently requiring a €1,000,000 letter of credit for alternative app stores devs.

    9to5mac.com/…/apple-says-third-party-app-marketpl…

    bobbytables ,

    Oh, so THAT is the real stop sign they put in front of FOSS marketplaces. Thanks for the link!

    hellequin67 ,

    Apple may think they’re complying with the letter of the law but I suspect the EU will feel they’re falling far far short of the moral of the law.

    abhibeckert ,

    A popular FOSS store like f-droid would have to cough up thousands of Euros.

    They’re probably not big enough. This only applies to apps that are on 2% of all iPhones in the EU. It also doesn’t apply to non-profits. If f-droid is that big, they probably should be a non-profit.

    lud ,

    That fee also applies to apps published on the app store.

    If I understand correctly it only affects apps with more than 1 million annual downloads. I also don’t think it applies to marketplaces, only apps. So if fdroid had a marketplace, the devs would pay that fee and not fdroid.

    developer.apple.com/support/core-technology-fee/

    Kostyeah ,

    9to5mac.com/…/apple-says-third-party-app-marketpl…

    This article says that the fee applies to every installation of a marketplace.

    OrangeCorvus ,
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    Apple is not offering these changes outside of the EU because this is not the safest system for our users.

    I almost spilled my drink. Apple should do stand-up comedy.

    TechNerdWizard42 ,

    Headlines like this should be illegal.

    Apple is forced by the EU to stop being a dick and open up their ecosystem. Apple is also purposefully making the experience so terrible that nobody will dare use it.

    I hope the EU sues and bankrupts them.

    narc0tic_bird ,

    Don’t get me wrong, I hope the EU slaps Apple on the wrist beats Apple up until they properly allow sideloading without the user having to go through more hoops than activating it with a warning and be done with it. Without any other consequences.

    But I’d hate if Apple went bankrupt. Leaving only one major player in the mobile OS market? No thanks.

    orclev ,

    I cannot imagine a disaster large enough to bankrupt Apple at this point. They’re one of the largest and most cash rich companies on the planet. They could probably start burning literal dollars to heat their offices and still take years to go bankrupt.

    More competition in the mobile OS market would certainly be good, but I’m hesitant to even call Apple that. Their OS runs on exactly 2 devices (iPhone and iPad) from 1 manufacturer, it’s not exactly an Apples (heh) to Apples comparison to Android. These days the only other option I’m aware of though is the various Linux phone projects, but all of those have some pretty serious usability problems so they’re hardly a real competitor.

    abhibeckert ,

    If Apple is fined for breaking these rules - the fine would be $80 billion. That would be two thirds of Apple’s annual global net profits or $200 for every citizen in the EU.

    It wouldn’t bankrupt the company, but it would definitely hurt and they don’t want to pay that.

    Their OS runs on exactly 2 devices (iPhone and iPad) from 1 manufacturer

    It runs on the primary device for over a billion people. Which means supporting it, for app developers, isn’t really optional at all assuming you want your app to be available to all users.

    This isn’t about users, it’s about EU based businesses. If you run a hotel for example, you need to be on iOS with some kind of app (obviously it could be a web app).

    Nogami ,

    You know what will happen? I do. Apple will leave Europe

    Want side loading? Buy android. That’s your choice.

    Aatube ,
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    1. Doesn't make a difference as everybody save the stans knows the subtext
    2. Sue them? Based on what?
    TechNerdWizard42 ,

    Very few who read the headline will even know the EU exists. So yes it’s needed.

    And the EU should sue as they have before for anticompetitive practices against many corporations for doing the very same thing. That’s how the EU works and it actually produces change unlike the shitty USA.

    moitoi ,

    Apple is testing the limits but will finally comply with the regulation by opening without gatekeeping.

    They try of it pass, it pass and if it doesn’t, they comply.

    orclev ,

    In before accessing this new app store disables face unlock, NFC, the fingerprint sensor, and voids your warranty.

    fresh OP ,

    The update will also open up NFC access to alternative payment apps.

    Apple does make it very clear that they’re being forced to do so by law, though, so don’t expect these changes to come out of the EU anytime soon.

    1984 ,
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    Coming from apple, this means nothing.

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