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soulifix ,

Yeah I’m seeing this stupid 10G thing advertised by Mediacom, too in my area. Like, we’re just entering 5G era here and there’s this…10G? So, you’re meaning to tell me that we’ve been duped into believing 5G all along as being the next best thing but oh wait, did they dig this 10G shit out from some governmental secret program that was hidden for years to provide us this speed to browse with?

limelight79 ,

It’s twice as fast as the government tracking provided by 5G!

(…or whatever it is the nut jobs say about 5G…)

astral_avocado ,
@astral_avocado@programming.dev avatar

Where’s the 6 and 7Gs? How much is one G?

PissinSelfNdriveway ,

I’ll give up 5g and a middle toe if I could just have 3g back. I live in the middle of no where and 3g worked great, we got rid of that and now phone loves to say it has 5g while fucking off and not loading anything.

asparagus9001 ,

I’m going to assume that 4g works decently enough where you are at this point. Much the same thing happened during the 4g rollout - it was too sparse, the phone spent too many resources hunting for a 4g signal when 3g was right there. You end up with a less stable connection because it’s constantly bouncing back and forth.

I think if you look up how to disable 5g on whatever phone you have (which is possible on any phone) and stick to 4g for now you’ll find the performance is as good as ever - if not better, with some of the load from other users being pushed to 5g.

I worked for “a major phone company” when 4g was rolling out. It’s unfortunate during this period, but I don’t know how you prevent it. 5g will objectively be better for 99.9% of users at some point - it might not be now, but everyone has to sell a 5g phone to “future proof” and have another selling feature. I wish the companies would educate people a little more on the rollout but then you’re basically telling them “this thing we’re selling you isn’t really ready yet”. And I mean, if you live in a major city, it’s working just fine… but not everybody does.

Urbanfox ,

This is what I do when I’m at busy events and the service is degraded.

Just keep cutting off levels until I get to one that works well.

PissinSelfNdriveway ,

I have heard that before and have tried to do that a few times but my phone ( moto 5g ace) doesn’t give me the option. I have googled it many times and mine has no option for prefered network type. It’s supposed to, but the option is just not there on mine. Some other people have said it may be carrier locked but I really don’t have any idea.

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

well obviously it means 10gbit, like some other places advertise 1gbit as 1g

kinther ,
@kinther@lemmy.world avatar

They have had a 100Gbps network for years now. No one is getting 10Gbps to the house

qwertychomp ,

I can’t wait for the new Comcast I like your cut-g network

Soggytoast ,

I did i.t. work at a Comcast and asked about it, I kept asking what the 10g memt, they said it’s basically like a new brand. They already rebranded off Comcast to Xfinity because of all the negative connotation against them, now they’re doing it again. I’ve met so many people that didn’t know Xfinity is Comcast

CmdrShepard ,

They just changed their company logo/trucks from red to green too as if that’ll change people’s experiences with this shithole of a company.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck it, why not 100G?

6daemonbag ,

GWay 2000

Bakkoda ,

Hey don’t skip ahead. We haven’t gotten to that part of the movie yet.

Donjuanme ,

Mine is 11.

Actually mine is .007, because I live 120 miles away from silicon valley, which may as well be a 3rd world country the way we let service “providers” only cater to markets they choose.

Hazdaz ,

More things that could never fly if there was honest, real competition in the internet provider market.

Yes, go after Comcast for their confusing marketing and shitty business practices, but nothing would fix the situation faster and better than having them have to actually compete for customers because there were a few other internet providers out there that customers could choose from.

DragonAce ,

Oh man, this sounds like a repeat of the whole debacle with AT&T and their “5Ge” bullshit. As soon as the whole 5G hype started, AT&T decided to claim that their entire network was now “5Ge” and capable of faster speeds. When in reality the “5Ge” label simply meant that the network in that area was flagged to be upgraded to 5G sometime in the near future, there was zero increase in network bandwidth or performance, just a little “5GE” symbol on your phone. IIRC they were taken to court over it and ordered to stop using the “5Ge” label, but they figured out a way to weasel out of it and never followed thru.

mo_ztt_3 ,
@mo_ztt_3@lemmy.world avatar

Many years ago, when even smartphones were relatively rare, I learned that AT&T was offering a little USB dongle that would give your computer internet access via their cell phone network for a monthly fee. I thought it was a fantastic idea and I wanted exactly that, so I went in to buy one.

I asked the lady how much data per month was included. She said it was unlimited. I said that it’s definitely not. I just want to know what the limit is. We want back and forth a little bit, and after a while I just asked to see the written agreement, dug through it a little bit, and found the part where it said that I was limited to 5 gigabytes of internet per month. I pointed it out to her, reiterating that 5 gigs is fine, I just had wanted to know what the limit was.

She said, “Oh that’s what comes with the unlimited plan.” She argued that no human being would realistically use 5 gigabytes in a single month, so the plan was unlimited.

I gave up and just bought the thing and left, but it was such a frustrating interaction that it still comes to mind almost 20 years later when someone says “AT&T” and “bullshit” in the same sentence.

giacomo ,
@giacomo@lemmy.world avatar

You have an unlimited amount of water in that glass, assuming you don’t drink it all.

CmdrShepard ,

I really wish the government would crack down on this “unlimited” bullshit. How can companies like Verizon have three separate tiers of “Unlimited data?” It’s fucking impossible to have three separate limits on a thing that is advertised as ‘no limits’

SrElsewhere ,

By pwning the three branches of government and, therefore, the regulatory environment.

ComradeBunnie ,
@ComradeBunnie@aussie.zone avatar

So confidently incorrect, and so deep into false advertising territory.

SrElsewhere ,

Ignorance makes her confident. But one can’t be so charitable about company-wide fraud.

0xff ,

Reminds me of that guy who repeatedly asked Verizon to confirm their price was X cents per byte, but ultimately was charged X dollars per byte.

Found it: …blogspot.com/…/verizon-doesnt-know-dollars-from-…

freeman ,

I’m pretty sure they just decided 4G/LTE = 5G. And now have a 5G+ icon for actual 5G. I noticed that when I moved back to an att MVNO last month after decades away from them.

Also, they deploy a wifi SSID profile called att-passwport that auto connects you to some boingo branded wifi towers in select places (like Home Depot). Can’t be disabled permanently and is pretty fucking annoying. Like “may find alternatives” annoying.

TheHighRoad ,
@TheHighRoad@lemmy.world avatar

I live a couple hundred yards from a tower and recently returned from a two-week vacation. I had a 4g/LTE icon before I left. Now it says 5G, but my tests show the exact same speeds as before. I think you are correct.

freeman ,

It can depend on the level of service you have with ATT that I have seen. If you are on pre-paid plans, or any MVNO they will cap your speed at like 2-4 Mbps on “5G” and around 5-7 Mbps on “5G+” which seems like actual 5G. They bury it deep in their details. MVNO’s say similar as well…

Click “see details” on any of these and it shows in the iframe: www.att.com/prepaid/plans/

Heres an example of an MVNO explaining it: cricketwireless.com/…/network-speeds-and-streamin…

Now, if you get a post paid plan, and only on the highest tier, do you not get limitations on speed (aka QoS).

They are conflating it with “SD Standard-definition streaming” or “4K UHD streaming available”, where the latter is basically with no QoS and will get full speed and priority on the towers. All others are capped at the speeds stated above that I have seen.

I found the post paid details digging the other day but their website is a hot mess (probably dark patterned intentionally that way).

TL:DR - I am not a fan of the way any of these companies advertise service.

squidzorz ,

See also: AT&T marketing HSPA+ as 4G LTE.

TIEPilot ,

The 5G cancer thing is laughable, C-band and Ka-band have been in use for years. I have been around them (plus X/Ku/L/S bands) for decades I’m still here. I have been exposed accidentally over 1000x times the FCC limits for more than a short time in the 90’s and am still here. Non ionizing radiation isnt that bad.

You know (other than the accidental breaches) is the worst leaking device onsite. The microwave oven.

vaultdweller013 ,

Whenever I hear people freaking out about 5g I just point at the angry fucker in the sky and ask how much radiation they think that releases and how dangerous they think it is. I have gotten a surprisingly diverse amount of answers. From “Thats why I want to live underground” to “But its natural” I wanted to punch the second one.

TIEPilot ,

The sun is a giant radioactive ball of hydrogen that blasts the Earth every day. We have “Sun Outages” 2x a year on every antenna. Power levels that are amazing to measured on a spectrum analyzer, and some tower miles away is gonna kill me. Put in the inverse square law, LOS, atmospheric and structural attenuation and I bet I can barely detect it. No chance its going to anywhere the FCC limit of 10 mW/cm

Oh and they can go underground, enjoy the radon gas emissions. Way worse than non-ionizing radiation.

Misconduct ,

I didn’t need that last part bro I’m just tryna eat a burrito

freeman ,

I mean. Our microwave is one of those cheap countertop versions in our walk in pantry. I always leave the pantry if I run it. And tell my kids the same.

Probably paranoia but their head is like, perfect height for the door on that thing.

TIEPilot ,

I can’t remember their frequency range. I’ll have to pull out the spectrum analyzer and feed horns to see what range its in tomorrow at work.

freeman ,

Yeah. I KNOW they blast out on 2.4 and 5.9 GHz. Especially 2.4, but a ton of stuff does that.

I just dont necessarily trust the sheilding on a $50 microwave and just prefer to take a few steps back. But again, probably just paranoia.

TIEPilot ,

I know I have a 5.9GHz horn, might have to make a lower freq one to test out the 2.4GHz range. Or go poor boy and run the end of a cable (N type is my goto) around the seals.

I do know its in cell phone range because we used to put out phones in the microwave when we were oncall and did want to go in. Poor mans Faraday cage.

And I wouldnt trust the seal, I have run a Narda of ours and its hands down the leakiest device/waveguide junction/etc around next to standing in the beam path.

bric ,

The 5G cancer paranoia isn’t even based on any specific frequency that they think is causing cancer, because they think 5G itself is a frequency. They’re just opposed to anything new and so they search for arguments that justify their feelings. I guarantee this whole thing will pop up again when we get around to 6G, even if the frequencies are all exactly the same as 5G. It’s just the way idiots are

TIEPilot ,

I never thought of it that way, how people really have no understanding of RF. Thank you for the new perspective, hopefully I can use that info to talk people off the ledge.

jordanlund ,

Should possibly also touch on the issue of 5G not really being 5G. Same as 4G not really being 4G:

thetechedvocate.org/not-all-5g-is-the-same-all-th…

Ultraviolet ,

Marketers kind of backed themselves into a corner when they named 4G LTE. It was supposed to be an intermediate step between 3G and 4G, but when they rolled out actual 4G, people thought going from “4G LTE” to “4G” sounded like a downgrade, so they called 4G proper “5G” at around the same time actual 5G was rolling out, creating a massive clusterfuck.

bric ,

4G not being 4G was different though, because 4G had absurd speed requirements that it had to hit before it could be classified as true 4G. That’s why everyone had to use “lte”, even though they were using the 4G standard, they didn’t have fast enough service. Thankfully, 5G dropped those silly requirements, so other than AT&T’s 5Ge debacle, all of the phones saying they’re 5G are actually 5G. It is important to know that there’s different types of 5G that are good for different situations, low band 5G is great for rural areas because it has better range than 4G and high band 5G is great for cities because it has better speed than 4G, but it’s all still 5G

Indie ,

Holy shit, if people thought 5G causes cancer what will they think of 10G?

evatronic ,

Double cancer!

Trainguyrom ,

Are you sure it isn’t exponential? If 5G gives you 1 cancer then clearly 10G gives you 5 cancers!

Bobert ,
@Bobert@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t think it’s intent is to confuse people with 5G. It’s that they finally have actual competition.

epb.com/fi-speed-internet/10-gig/

EPB in Chattanooga announced the rollout of 10 Gbps service. Within a time span best measured in weeks I start seeing Billboards and Ads for Comcast’s own 10G network.

This is exactly how Comcast’s 1 Gig rolled out for my area. EPB announced 1 Gbps to residential and whaddya know? Comcast now offers 800 Mpbs followed later by 1000 and 1200.

MySNsucks923 ,

300 up and down for $25 a month checking in.

LifeInMultipleChoice ,

Where is that? I get 300 down and 10 up for ~50

MySNsucks923 ,

Northern Virginia with Verizon and every provider in the area for some competition. I also own my router and have Verizon for my cell phone service so they discount me $10 to get to that $25. (Normally $35)

cousinofjah ,
@cousinofjah@twit.social avatar

AT&T's 4GE is rolling over in its grave.

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