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Grass ,

I had more faith in solar frickin highways and that was already 0.

Snapz ,

It was always a grift. Go watch thunderfoot on YouTube

downdaemon ,
@downdaemon@lemmy.ml avatar

how many miles of high speed rail has china built in that time?

TwoGems ,
@TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

Who knew Elon had no engineering degree in reality?

isVeryLoud ,

He did it on purpose to cuck California out of public transit so he can sell more Teslas, said it himself

Smacks ,
@Smacks@lemmy.world avatar

Invest in actual public transportation: I sleep

Invest in an overly expensive alternative to trains: REAL SHIT

guacupado ,

Like all these fake trees or solar trees or carbon vacuums instead of just planting more trees.

1995ToyotaCorolla ,
@1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world avatar

Tech bros will call trains unviable and obsolete and then burn truckloads of money on shit like this

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Awww no waaaay maintaining a hundred mile long vacuum tube in a state that gets earthquakes more often than Seattle gets rain wasn’t viable? Who could have possibly anticipated that??

DuckOverload ,

Silly question: could they evolve the infrastructure to an actual transit system?

whoisearth ,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

Underground walkways?

laurelraven ,

I’d say subways but I don’t think the tunnels are big enough so they’d probably have to be re-bored larger and then re-reinforced

But probably a better use for the system than what they tried to do

dai ,

Me waiting for solar underground highways.

Sigh_Bafanada ,

SOLAR FREAKING ROADWAYS

Spaceballstheusername ,

What infrastructure?

Red_October ,

No way, you mean this insane nonsense that was obviously never going to work isn’t going to work after all? Damn.

T00l_shed ,

Colour me shocked.

eldain ,

I’m impressed they could get their momentum going for so long, they were able to burn so much money and only now are investors pulling out? That was a serious hype train! Even if it was meant as lobby sponsoring against standard high speed rail, holy cow what a waste!

Allero , (edited )

Hey, at least this time it really was a hype train /j

aesthelete ,

It was so obvious that this wouldn’t work that even Elon Musk didn’t want to have anything to do with it besides posting his brainfart on the Internet for the whole world to smell.

dustyData ,

He admitted on record that he only spouted that bullshit to counter a bid for high speed transit in California. He was never interested in the slightest to ever pursue that idea in good faith. It worked, the project was canned to invest in Hyperloop and now US transit will continue to be shit because one douche bag with more money than sense opened his pie hole. And apparently US politics listens exclusively to people with more money than the average country’s budget.

aesthelete ,

And apparently US politics listens exclusively to people with more money than the average country’s budget.

…even if they (the government that is) gave him a large portion of that money.

Aleric ,

So just a continuation of the motor vehicle industry sabotaging public transportation so people have to buy more vehicles.

Capitalist ‘innovation’ at its finest!

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

No way. Who could have seen that one coming?

Aleric ,

I saw it not coming at Hyperloop speeds!

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

I remember seeing all the big brain French train engineers blowing the fuck out of the Hyperloop back in the 2010s, matching up with my understanding of the technology and I guess that was the moment the Musk Hypnotism broke for me. We really don’t even need maglevs, we can still move fast on iron, maglevs are only proposed to improve density by speed.

It was frustrating to see friends and cohorts think the hyperloop would solve a solved problem. And do it in a cost-efficient way. It didn’t do either.

Touching grass is not enough, I want Elon Musk to get cancer in his dick and die

jjjalljs ,

For all of his fans, he also has a lot of anti-fans. I’m surprised none of them have thrown him out the window of the twitter HQ or whatever. I guess he’s paying his security team a lot.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar
  1. Distance is a factor
  2. He knows he’s not liked, which is why he probably pays G4S or whatever a lot
  3. He can’t run forever at the rate Xitter is going. One of his backers is that Saudi prince that had the journalist chopped up.
Aleric ,

I usually don’t wish violence on anyone, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Musk made into douchebag tartar.

S_H_K ,

I mostly agree with the statement but the Hyperloop wasn’t solving a solved problem. Isn’t mean to replace trains is meant to replace planes that rely on fossil fuels for international flights and even go faster than that. The basis of function is sound to my understanding but is probably too costly to implement mostly for economies in crisis, I never was sure if it was really as cost effective as they said it was.

Maggoty ,

Maintaining that much vacuum was never realistic.

Garbanzo ,

Ok, sure, but what about hyperloop IN SPACE!

I’ll be happy to discuss my brilliant new invention with anyone who still has money left over from this project.

crystalmerchant ,

Wait, touching grass? I don’t get it…?

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

It’s a recent, overused phrase meaning “go outside” (and not be online).

isVeryLoud ,

O…utside?

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

I tried opening windows, but I just got a blue screen, so I don’t get it either.

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

I mean all this money could have been used to create incentive to make high speed rail more widely available and cheaper and I am sure that would already be super beneficial for the world. Instead they had to trash all this money. I wonder why many think that humans are some form of special creatures that deserve to exist forever. If anything we will be lucky to exist for much longer.

Sanctus , (edited )
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Its maddening, we have the real solution. Its not flashy magitech that will instantaneously move you while leaving your fecal matter behind. It is just fucking hi speed rail. Turns out, putting a bunch of people that all need to take a largely similar path on a high capacity, fast moving vehicle is just really efficient.

This is like watching a children’s show where they pause before they give the answer, but instead of giving a logical answer they regurgitate nonsense.

oatscoop , (edited )

Next you’re going to tell me that that not only does humanity already have trains that can do 200mph (320 km/h): but they’re more reliable, safer, cheaper to build/operate, and can can carry a ton of people per trip.

Psh, like that would ever work.

Halcyon ,
@Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

If you’ve ever been to Japan, you can only roll your eyes if you read about how people can fall for that “hyperloop” scam. The Hyperloop concept is just unrealistic, dangerous and expensive. The Japanese high speed train system is very efficient and absolutely reliable. 🚅

moitoi ,
@moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Technosolutionism will always be a failure. It failed in the past, it fails and will fail even for the climate change.

foobaz ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0c78fa28-737f-4752-8026-f387dbda3d31.jpeg

driving_crooner ,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

It was born to fail, because its porpoise was to delay and sabotage the California high speed train project.

Deiv ,

Yea, it was a very fishy initiative

kameecoding ,

Elon literally came out and said it was to delay/sabotage the train project

twitter.com/parismarx/status/1571628269555826688?…

june ,

Yea, it wasn’t an ocean of stupid so much as Elon dangling the idea of a better alternative like the esca of an angler fish with the intention to gobble up the plans for the train project.

kameecoding ,

“Better” he hyped up a stupid economically non viable shit so his car company can stay relevant

QuadratureSurfer , (edited )
@QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world avatar

Looks like the jokes sailed over your head on this one. /c/woosh

Telstarado ,

A) I applaud you for your masterful continuation of the pelagic theme of this discussion about Elon porpoisely allowing this project to flounder into Davy Jone’s locker.

B) TIL that an anglerfish lure is called an esca and that a sufficiently literate person can seamlessly weave such an unusual word into this net of fishy discourse… Bravo!

ShaggySnacks ,

Never be surprised at what you may catch sight of in the ocean that is called The Internet

macrocephalic ,

It’s not even like trains are his white whale, he’s just trying to break any alternative to cars before they can catch on

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

He’s trying to break any alternative to cars faster than his own cars break

NotMyOldRedditName ,

This gets misquoted all the time.

The purpose wasn’t to delay the high speed rail, in favor of the hyperloop.

It was to delay/stop the high speed rail for something better as he didn’t think the existing plan was high speed enough or would be cost effective and on time. Faster high speed trains were already being built and with all the delays this would (and has) faced, it’d be even further back by the time it was finished.

The difference there is pretty important, unless you fall into the conspiracy camp of the intent was to delay it so he could sell more cars and he actually doesn’t want anything made.

But the goal was to stop it so they’d make it better than planned, not make a hyperloop.

Edit: and before people reply, it’s fast enough, it doesn’t need to be the best etc etc. That’s fine if that’s your stance. I’m just saying what was actually going on, and you don’t have to agree with him.

dustyData ,

Just because his lie was technically a slightly different one makes no matter, it was still a lie and it was still stupid that all those government regulators and legislators fell for it.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

It’s only a lie if you think his goal was to sell more cars.

Maybe it was or wasn’t.

dustyData ,

And you think Elon Musk, the man who owns a car making company, wasn’t trying to sell more cars?

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Well, one implies malice, and the other pushing for a better more futuristic future.

And he has a history of pushing for an idealistic futuristic future, with pushing spacex to figure out how to land rockets or how to make a profitable EV, so ya, I’m willing to say there’s a likely chance he was honest in thinking it was a bad idea and California, the home of silicon valley and advanced technology could maybe come up with something better.

But we’ll never really know.

dustyData ,

he has a history of pushing for an idealistic futuristic future

I want some of what you are having, because you have a warped perception of reality.

Tom Nicholas has really good essay on this topic. Musk is not a futurism proponent. He is an apocalyptic visionaire. His view is not preparing a better future for all humans, instead he’s about using tech for rich people surviving the end of the world whilst retaining their privileges. His futurism is fake.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

Yeah, he probably wasn’t, but that means there’s a chance he was. The person you’re replying to isn’t saying he was or wasn’t. You want to start an argument over that, this is all you. All you’re doing, without proof that Musk absolutely is fake in this one instance, is just changing the percentage, but not making it certain.

rwhitisissle ,

This isn’t Elon’s hyperloop. It’s a company called Hyperloop One, predominately funded by Richard Branson.

kameecoding ,

Distinction without a difference

pickles ,

I sea what you did there

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

Musk came rushing in like he was selling a monorail.

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