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FlyingSquid ,
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Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Sam Altman for those who don’t want to click through.

And I have no idea which I would choose to face off from those four, let alone who would win.

Altofaltception ,

To make things slightly easier it’s Musk v Thiel and Bezos v Altman.

In the first matchup, I would pick Musk over Thiel for being a bigger POS in general.

In the second matchup I would pick Bezos for the larger impact he has had on the world.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m with you on the second, but I would have a really hard time with the first because Musk is more overtly a piece of shit, but Thiel has had so much influence over the years, including elevating Elon Musk to the position where he is today. I guess if it’s the worst of 2023 and we’re restricting it solely to what we know they’ve said and done in 2023, it would be Musk. But I think overall, it is probably Thiel just because there wouldn’t be an Elon Musk anyone had heard about without Peter Thiel.

Altofaltception ,

This is the 2023 matchup, so I guess it would put Musk on top

cmbabul ,

Musk was likely worse in 2023 and does suck a lot in general, Thiel is more dangerous in general

TWeaK ,

In the first matchup, I would pick Musk over Thiel for being a bigger POS in general.

But Musk’s acquisition of Twitter is in itself subservient to Theil’s overarching political goals. One has been in the limelight more, but the other has caused more harm overall.

overzeetop ,
@overzeetop@lemmy.world avatar

This is the 2023 matchup. You don’t consider Jordan’s performance at UNC when determining their championship status this year. Heck, despite the past damage done, i don’t think. Bezos, for his 2023 tech fuckery, should have made it out of the first round.

By the same metric, Musk easily tops Thiel first 2023 and is the clear shoo-in as champion of the worst.

magnor ,
@magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh avatar

No matter who wins we all lose. That’s kind of the point whenever these guys turn up.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Well, and sadly, said.

eran_morad ,

Musk.

RobotToaster ,
@RobotToaster@mander.xyz avatar

What did Thiel do to make the internet hate him as much as the other three?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

So, so, so many things.

Let’s start with him saying women getting the vote was bad for democracy and we can continue on from there.

huffpost.com/…/peter-thiel-women-democracy_n_5747…

sirdorius OP ,

It’s a full time job to answer completely, but from what I know he finances escape fantasies for the rich which they call seasteading. He calls it a libertarian ideal to create these new colonial city states, but what he means is liberty for his ilk from taxes, regulation and societal rules. Meanwhile his brainchild Palantir erodes the rights of the poor people who are left behind through surveillance, military technology and ICE funding. But this is all in line with his ideology, because apartheid “works” in South Africa according to Thiel

Diplomjodler ,

You could put them in a sack and hit the sack with a stick. You’d never hit the wrong guy.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I like this idea much better than picking one of them as the worst person in tech for 2023. Can we do the stick beating instead?

Diplomjodler , (edited )

But we definitely need to have Zuck in there too. And maybe Thiel, as a special guest.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The more the merrier!

HowManyNimons ,

Could I? Yayyyy!

Whack. Whack. Whack. Whack. Whack. Whack. Whack. Whack.

SinningStromgald ,

Theil wants a techno libertarian oligarchy with no regulations ala Blade Runner.

Musk wants the rich to escape to Mars while destroying earth and dooming the poor’s.

Bezos wants to send the poor’s into space along with heavy industry and turn earth into a rich person paradise ala Black Mirror “Fifteen Million Merits”.

Altman is just a shitty rich person in tech wasting precious resources to teach a computer to create porn. Becaue we all know that’s what 99% of people do and will use AI for. He’s also a prepper which means he’s a selfish cunt.

If I had to pick just one it would be Theil. I think the man is insidious while the rest are more in your face.

Ranked choice would be Theil, Musk, Bezos then Altman.

SnipingNinja ,

I love your descriptions for all of them. If you have some free time would you mind writing it for everyone in the brackets?

QuaternionsRock ,

I’m shocked that Sam Altman won out over SBF

bamboo ,

SBF hasn’t been in the headlines as much recently.

SinningStromgald ,

Sam Bankman-Fried is definitely bad for what he did and his belief in effective altruism, which is just another smoke screen to not properly tax rich people because they “donate to charities”. You could argue his getting into crypto also makes him bad because crypto mining is bad but he’s not on the same level as Sam Altman. Not even close.

QuaternionsRock ,

I’d rather pick someone who did something deserving of life in prison than someone who didn’t, but maybe that’s just me.

Also, Sam Altman has no equity in, and was only paid $73k by OpenAI last year. You can dislike him for the rumors surrounding his managerial style and whatnot, but it’s pretty clear he isn’t exploiting people to get shit rich like everyone else on this list.

SinningStromgald ,

I don’t.

Altman is just a shitty rich person in tech wasting precious resources to teach a computer to create porn. Becaue we all know that’s what 99% of people do and will use AI for. He’s also a prepper which means he’s a selfish cunt.

If he wasn’t promoting AI and trying to sell it as the next best thing to sliced bread he’d just be a shitty rich prepper. Instead he is wasting time and resources on AI.

And my personal bias against crypto really lowers my “give a fuck” bar so while, again, what he did is bad I don’t care if he defrauded a bunch of crypto cunts. Same as I don’t care about people “loosing” their NFT’s.

QuaternionsRock ,

Instead he is wasting time and resources on AI.

Under what circumstances would AI research and training not be considered a waste of time and resources, in your mind?

I don’t care if he defrauded a bunch of crypto cunts

Well, his whole ballgame was selling crypto to normal people, not cryptobros. Do you really think the FTX Super Bowl commercial was targeted at people who can articulate the differences in technology between Bitcoin and Ethereum?

SinningStromgald ,

Under what circumstances would AI research and training not be considered a waste of time and resources, in your mind?

Right now? None.

Well, his whole ballgame was selling crypto to normal people, not cryptobros.

All the same crypto cunts to me. Doesn’t matter if you mine, trade, marry or fuck crypto they are all the same cunts to me.

Do you really think the FTX Super Bowl commercial was targeted at people who can articulate the differences in technology between Bitcoin and Ethereum?

I don’t watch any sports and few to no ads so I have no idea what you are talking about.

QuaternionsRock ,

All the same crypto cunts to me. Doesn’t matter if you mine, trade, marry or fuck crypto they are all the same cunts to me.

Wow, this is a concerningly sociopathic worldview. I’m quite sure that a lot of people who were fucked over by FTX were people you would otherwise consider to be your brethren. Or, y’know, your grandparents.

And here I was thinking Lemmy would be less toxic than Reddit.

SinningStromgald ,

Wow, this is a concerningly sociopathic worldview.

Okay.

I’m quite sure that a lot of people who were fucked over by FTX were people you would otherwise consider to be your brethren. Or, y’know, your grandparents.

I can tell you with great certainty that none of my friends or family were/are invested in crypto. None. And if even a single one had been my opinion on crypto cunts would not change.

And here I was thinking Lemmy would be less toxic than Reddit.

Sorry?

QuaternionsRock ,

Okay.

That’s the thing about sociopathy: you’re convinced that your opinion is enlightened because you have successfully disregarded the human cost of the issue at hand, when in reality that is the fundamental problem with your opinion.

Please, for all our sakes, learn to empathize with people who make mistakes you personally wouldn’t. Introspect on the conversation we just had, and ask yourself what stands to be gained from the opinion you hold.

catastrophicblues ,

Why do people hate Altman? Genuinely OOTL.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

He’s not really as bad as the other three, but he did take a nonprofit company and turn it into a multibillion dollar profit machine which has a massive carbon and fresh water footprint.

Nurgle ,

Also some view ChatGPT (and the other “AIs”) as massive plagiarism machines.

lemmyingly ,

AI or not, plagiarism appears to happen a lot. AI just makes it a little easier than it was before.

squiblet ,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

His world coin project is one of the sketchiest. Paying people in poor countries to get scanned by this creepy orb thing? Odd.

His sister has also vociferously accused him of molesting her for a period of time when she was 4 and he was 13.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer ,

How is every bracket not Elon Musk?

jana ,

That’s not how brackets work?

admin ,
@admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

Gee, I wonder how this will end if lemmy gets to vote.

sab ,

Do you mind? We’re trying to have a circlejerk here.

LEDZeppelin ,

Final match should have been between Zuckerfuk and incElon

RobotToaster ,
@RobotToaster@mander.xyz avatar

incElon

The one thing he (unfortunately) isn’t, is celibate, lmao.

richieadler ,

I think it’s more about his sick mentality in general, and not about if he can eventually bribe a woman to be his living incubator.

Kolrami ,

At what point does that word lose all meaning?

richieadler ,

Meanings drift. The original word was coined in women’s groups, literally for women who didn’t find willing partners. Today it refers to the particular position of certain toxic male groups instead of the involuntary celibacy itself.

Insisting in keeping the original meaning could be a case of etimological fallacy.

Grangle1 ,

Of the four I’ll take Bezos. Elon says controversial stuff but most of his businesses are legit. He owns Twitter now but he didn’t create that monster. Altman opened up a can of worms with AI but I do believe he initially had some good intentions with it. I don’t even know who Peter Thiel is. Bezos is just an evil corporate suit and Amazon will do anything for money.

kiwifoxtrot ,
@kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.world avatar

Bezos isn’t even involved in Amazon anymore.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

He’s executive chair of the board of directors, what are you talking about?

SpaceNoodle ,

Jassy is the one steering the boat now, and it’s been rechristened as the SS No More Innovation

rockSlayer , (edited )

Thiel is associated with musk, and a pretty awful guy in his own right. The short version is he’s a billionaire techno-fascist that funds political campaigns for people like Trump. Here’s a video for more stuff about him if you’re curious.

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

How is it that every bracket isn’t just “Elon Musk”?

wizardbeard ,

Thiel’s worse, he just hasn’t made a celebrity of himself

kaleid ,

No spez?

Neato ,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

He's small time. He's ruining one big-ish social platform. While people like Zuck are ruining many!

kaleid ,

Can’t argue with that. But I have to admit that I miss reddit, mate. Hence my question.

cabron_offsets ,

He’s an insignificant gnat.

Pyramid8058 ,

I think I'd say Thiel is worse than Musk. He supports anti-gay politicians while being gay himself. Tax cuts are more important than having the law treat people as human beings.

It's possible that Musk might fail to understand exactly how shitty he's being due to his autism, I'm pretty sure Thiel knows he's fucking people over and doesn't care. Also the whole bloodboy thing.

drdabbles ,
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He isn’t autistic. He simply said he is. Which makes him a giant piece of shit.

supercritical ,
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According to his biographer, he’s wildly bipolar.

drdabbles ,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

I think he is too. But neither of us is qualified to make the diagnosis officially. 😆

wewbull ,

…but you’re a doctor.

drdabbles ,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

But everyone’s a dog online. I’m the 10th doctor you always wonder about. 😆

nomecks ,

At least Musk is so loud and obnoxious that it’s easy to avoid him. Lex Luthor sits over there at Amazon quietly taking over the world and almost nobody gives him a second thought.

TWeaK ,

The worst person in tech is a choice between a bunch of people who are working together to make things worse for everyone else?

bruhduh ,
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No unity ex ceo?

sirdorius OP ,

He’s a small time capitalist. These guys have society shaping power and wealth

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

I agree with you, but in 2023 unity fuck up was one of the major events cause most developers used unity and still continue using it

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

bezos

PopOfAfrica ,

Too bad Zuckerberg is about to feast on our data now that Threads has federated

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    PopOfAfrica , (edited )

    Information is cached on servers in the fediverse through connections. You can’t just make an empty server and harvest all of the data. Now if you unleash millions of accounts on the Fediverse like threads is doing, then you have access to everything.

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    PopOfAfrica ,

    So what exactly is your point? That we should just give up that corporations own everything, period, sorry, bud?

    If that’s the case, go back to Reddit and sign up for threads.

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    PopOfAfrica , (edited )

    Unfortunately the folks over at Mastodon are loving Metas integration

    EnderMB ,

    …How is Bezos in the running?

    Jassy is the CEO of Amazon. Outside of space cuntery and being on the chair, he’s not really in tech.

    With that being said, it’s still hilarious to me that Jassy has been CEO for two years, and most people still assume Bezos is boss.

    Takumidesh ,

    Amazon is one of the biggest tech companies in the world.

    There is a good chance the instance you are browsing lemmy on is using Amazon hardware.

    They are one of the premier IaaS and PaaS companies, as well as the owners of tons of platforms including websites like twitch.

    otp ,

    I think you need to read the comment you replied to. It seems like you commented before reading anything past the first sentence.

    alienangel ,

    Bold of you to assume voters even know that Jassy is running Amazon. Most people in polls like this vote based on which name they recognize and dislike the most. The only legit competition in name recognition Jeff had on the right side bracket was Steve Jobs.

    otp ,

    Look, I agree, but the comment that they replied to explained that…

    alienangel ,

    Oh, I’m not faulting you or the original comment about Jassy, just a general lament about how bad the voting is on polls like this. This thread is full of other brain-dead takes that have nothing to do with tech.

    otp ,

    Definitely agreed there!

    realitista ,

    I think if you made billions in tech, you always qualify. To some degree even more after you stop working and still can’t find time to do anything beneficial for the world.

    _stranger_ ,

    He’s building that insane clock in the desert, does that count?

    www.10000yearclock.net/learnmore.html

    FuyuhikoDate ,

    So much names i never ever heard before and i dont wanna look up, after knowing what a fucker musk is (also he wil win)

    hOrni ,

    It’ll be musk. He is just the worst person.

    Serinus ,

    It’ll be a popularity contest, but Musk isn’t the worst. He’s just the most well known.

    Musk is more of a misguided idiot than evil.

    puppy , (edited )

    But Musk arguably does more harm to the society. If there’s evil billionaires, they can be exposed, sued and punished according to the law. But what Musk does is spreading division and hate among the general public. The same thing Trump does. This ruins a generation, a country or even the whole world if the world doesn’t restore balance. Division and hate among the general public throws a society back in ways that’s very hard to recover from.

    Serinus ,

    Thiel has spent his entire life with that as his goal. Thiel has caused more harm and is more evil.

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