There have been multiple accounts created with the sole purpose of posting advertisement posts or replies containing unsolicited advertising.

Accounts which solely post advertisements, or persistently post them may be terminated.

Gerula ,

No it wouldn’t. I’m sick and tired of the childish argument that if we accept alcohol then we have to accept or introduce other substance abuses because some find it more appealing.

Solo ,

Why shouldn’t we accept it? Its already poven to be better for you than alcohol, many people enjoy it, and a lot less deaths per year will be caused by wee than alcohol. Should people who don’t want to drink not be allowed to have a place they can hang out similar to a bar?

Gerula ,

Here we go again. People who don’t want to drink alcohol can hang anywhere and still don’t drink acohol. The unwillingness to drink alcohol or that “many people like it” are not actual arguments to introduce and use other health damaging substances rerdless of their nature and effects.

randon31415 ,

I just want constancy. Weed is less dangerous than alcohol. Ban both, legalize both, legalize weed but not alcohol, or keep things the way they are and drop the premise that it has anything to do with health and safety.

Gerula ,

That “less dangerous” is so subjective and unfounded that I’m not going to address.

On the other hand do you think it’s a good idea to think in extremes? Alcohol is rooted in our culture since literally thousands of years to get it out is almost impossible now but we can struggle for moderation. Weed as we find it on the market didn’t even exist 100 years ago. So maybe it’s a good idea to introduce it get it common as alcohol so in 50 years we will have the problems with alcohol and with weed on top. Smart.

Then we can go further to other drugs because we cant leave them outside. We have to be consistent and some people really like it.

lwuy9v5 ,

There are some board game cafes in the states. And some of those overlap with legal weed :) but smoking indoors in public is still a no-go

Kalamazooligan ,

As long as you don’t stink. So fucking sick of weed users smelling like ass in public.

justhach ,
@justhach@lemmy.world avatar

Its hard to justify it for the same reasons we can’t have Shisha bars and smoking lounges (at least where I live): 2nd hand smoke.

I can, as a non drinker, go to a bar and have myself a soda, and leave there as sober as when I walked in. If I do that in a room where everyone is smoking up, I will get high from the second hand smoke whether I want to for not.

I mean, why not just have a general social club with coffee/food, games, etc, and just step outside for a puff?

tree_frog_and_rain ,

Cannabis can be edible and here in Milwaukee we’re already seeing farm bill delta9 show up in bars and restaurants.

DanglingFury ,

The smoke issue has been solved. I’ve been to cigar lounges that do not smell outside and barely smell inside, despite over a dozen people smoking sotgies in there. Massive HVAC systems and filters handle it all.

Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever ,

A proper HVAC system goes a long way.

But just like with “non smoking sections” back in the day: It still reeks to non-smokers. People vastly underestimate just how much even being a “casual smoker” does to your sense of smell and tolerance for tobacco stank and so forth. And the people who actually are going to cigar lounges, regardless of what they tell themselves, are a few notches past “casual” and so forth.

Which gets back to the issue and why most bar owners aren’t actually fighting for indoor smoking to come back. Running the gauntlet of chimneys outside the door? it sucks, but people will do it to hang out with their friends or go out with the really cute Romanian girl. Sitting in even a light haze of smoke for a few hours? Fuck that noise, let’s go to the bar across the street.

Which gets back to the cannabis bar problem. You are basically only catering to people who smoke at that point, and that is a much smaller population. And that also ignores the issue with contact highs and even delayed reactions triggering a shitshow of DUIs.

RagingHungryPanda ,

that’s just a “coffee” shop in Netherlands

Pat12 ,

The difference is you can’t taste other people’s alcohol but you can smell others’ smoke

dystop ,
@dystop@lemmy.world avatar

Edibles might make it better. But then you’ll need to give people something to do for an hour or so before it kicks in…

iAmTheTot ,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

You mean like eating, playing board games, and socializing?

insomniac_lemon ,
@insomniac_lemon@kbin.social avatar

Dry vaporizers (with temperature below 200C, convection-based) don't have smoke so are a lot less offensive with smell, if not odorless particularly with access to fresh air.

Also people smelling of alcohol, particularly if they are drunk or drinking liquor, is definitely a thing. Also barfing. I wouldn't doubt bars having bad smells sometimes.

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

People who are going to a place to smoke typically wouldn’t mind that. Take cigar or vape lounges, for instance. Also it’s usually people who don’t smoke weed who act like the smell of weed bothers them.

Pat12 ,

right but my point is if a group of friends want to go to a bar and some people don’t smoke or like the smell of smoke then there is a problem, it’s not like they can just opt not to smell smoke

JickleMithers ,

...that's why you would only go to a place like that if everyone is down. Having them for people that want to go is fine, no one is forced to go.

WhiteHawk ,

That sounds nice in theory, but in reality the result is usually that if the majority of a group smokes, the nonsmokers don’t have much of a choice except for looking for new friends. That was a very common complaint when smoking in pubs and restaurants was still legal here.

JickleMithers ,

Just because one person doesn't want to go to something doesn't mean they shouldn't exist. You're basically saying one person's opinion/choice outweighs an entire group. If those choices constantly put you at odds with the group it might be best to find a group that aligns with your values more. There's also nothing wrong with being friends with the people that want to go to things you don't like, just tag along when they do things you do like. You also don't have to have one set of friends, you can have multiple groups that like to do different things. I'm not pro banning things for the sake of others that can choose not to participate.

Noggindrill ,
@Noggindrill@kbin.social avatar

there are THC drinks where I live, always a nice option for me to have at gatherings as a non-alcohol person.

pineapplefriedrice OP ,

Right but you can consume cannabis in tons of different ways - cookies, cocktails, etc. Restaurants had smoking areas for decades with far worse air filtration systems.

query ,

If they replaced individual bars rather than expanded the space where drug consumption is the basis of socializing.

Cruxifux ,

I don’t smoke weed, but phrasing it’s usage as “drug consumption” always annoyed me. It makes it sound like it’s the same thing as heroin or meth, which it’s not even close to the same thing.

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • •
  • [email protected]
  • random
  • lifeLocal
  • goranko
  • All magazines
    •