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Nextcloud Performance Improvements

Nextcloud seems to have a bad reputation around here regarding performance. It never really bothered me, but when a comment on a post here yesterday talked about huge speed gains to be had with Postgres, I got curious and spent a few hours researching and tweaking my setup.

I thought I’d write up what I learned and maybe others can jump in with their insights to make this a good general overview.

To note, my installation initially started out with this docker compose stack from the official nextcloud docker images (as opposed to the AIO image or a source installation.) I run this behind an NGINX reverse proxy.

Sources of information

Improvements

Migrate DB to Postgres

What I did first is migrate from maridb to postgres, roughly following the blog post I linked above. I didn’t do any benchmarking, but page loads felt a little faster after that (but a far cry from the “way way faster” claims I’d read.)

Here's my process- add postgres container to compose file like so. I named mine “postgres”, added a “postgres” volume, and added it to depends_on for app and cron - run migration command from nextcloud app container like any other occ command. The migration process stopped with an error for a deactivated app so I completely removed it, dropped the postgres tables and started migration again and it went through. after migration, check admin settings/system to make sure Nextcloud is now using postgres. ./occ db:convert-type --password $POSTGRES_PASSWORD --all-apps pgsql $POSTGRES_USER postgres $POSTGRES_DB- remove old “db” container and volume and all references to it from compose file and run docker compose up -d --remove-orphans

Redis over Sockets

I followed above guide for connecting to Redis with sockets with details as stated below. This improved performance quite significantly. Very fast loads for files, calendar, etc. I haven’t yet changed the postgres connection over to sockets since the article spoke about minor improvements, but I might try this next.

Hints- the redis configuration (host, port, password, …) need to be set in config/config.php, as well as config/redis.config.php- the cron container needs to receive the same /etc/localtime and /etc/timezone volumes the app container did, as well as the volumes_from: tmp

EDIT Postgres over Sockets

I’m now connecting to Postgres over sockets as well, which gave another pretty significant speed bump. When looking at developer tools in Firefox, the dashboard now finishes loading in half the time it did before the change; just over 6s. I followed the same blog article I did for Redis.

Steps- in the compose file, for the db container: add volumes /etc/localtime and /etc/timezone; add user: “70:33”; add command: postgres -c unix_socket_directories=‘/var/run/postgresql/,/tmp/docker/’; add tmp container to volumes_from and depends_on- in nextcloud config.php, replace ‘dbhost’ => ‘postgres’, with ‘dbhost’ => ‘/tmp/docker/’,

Outlook

What have you done to improve your instance’s performance? Do you know good articles to share? I’m happy to edit this post to include any insights and make this a good source of information regarding Nextcloud performance.

morethanevil ,
@morethanevil@lemmy.fedifriends.social avatar

“Way faster” came from me :D

It is the complete package which makes it way faster…

Postgres, Redis, PHP Opcache, general PHP tweaks ( PHP.ini, child processes etc, use calculator ), HTTP-2 instead of 1.1

For HTTP-2, you can add this for Apache in your vhost:

Protocols h2 h2c http/1.1

For example:


<span style="color:#323232;"><VirtualHost *.80>
</span><span style="color:#323232;">ServerAdmin [email protected]
</span><span style="color:#323232;">DocumentRoot /var/www/html/nextcloud/
</span><span style="color:#323232;">ServerName my.domai.com
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Protocols h2 h2c http/1.1
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">....
</span>

In NGNIX add this in a new line:

http2 on;

For example:


<span style="color:#323232;">server {
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  listen 80;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  listen [::]:80;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  server_name my.domain.com;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  http2 on;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">....
</span>

Using NGINX over Apache did nothing for me, so I use Apache with PHP-FPM 8.3, because I am using it for Wordpress too, same for Redissockets. I would recommend not to use a docker container for Nextcloud. I don’t like it for Nextcloud and I don’t use docker for Wordpress. Docker has other use cases in my setup, but not those 2.

This is just my personal setup.

Maybe it can help someone :)

tofubl OP ,

That makes sense. If you start out without any of those I’m sure it’s night and day.

Thanks for the additional input!

morethanevil ,
@morethanevil@lemmy.fedifriends.social avatar

There are no slow nextclouds, only wrong configured ones ☝🏻😁

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Try MySQL instead of MariaDB. They have some performance tweaks in version 10 that aren’t present in MariaDB.

Also, tune your MySQL (or MariaDB) server. Make sure all tables use InnoDB. Enable the slow query log and analyze slow queries (there may be missing indices). If there’s a lot of unique queries, increase the query cache size.

The easy approach is to run MySQLTuner after the MySQL or MariaDB server has been up for at least a week, and go through its suggestions.

There shouldn’t be a significant difference in performance between PostgreSQL and MySQL/MariaDB if both have been optimized. Out-of-the-box config isn’t ideal for a production system.

douglasg14b ,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

Depends on how you’re using it. You can wrong an absolutely insane amount of performance out of postgres that you cannot with MySQL.

I wonder how much next cloud leaves on the table?

Static_Rocket ,
@Static_Rocket@lemmy.world avatar

Heads up, you can also get postgress to use a socket and mount that through for another speedup if you haven’t already

tofubl OP ,

Yeah, I saw that but wanted to take it step by step as not to break everything all at once. 😉

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

You can use UNIX sockets with MySQL or MariaDB too.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been a proponent here for a few months on using postgres/redis every time someone shits on NC for performance. While I agree the database change itself isn’t a huge improvement, it pays for itself long term in larger volume installs when you and your organization/group get using it heavily. The redis connected on socket like the AIO mastercontainer sets up is where the real juice comes from, but only on an install that gets used so it caches properly. The first time you fire it up, it’s pretty slow but as it gets used, things are much better.

Gooey0210 ,

Since i started using nixos i don’t have any problems with nextcloud 🙃

johntash ,

I only recently started using nix and NixOS. How’s the update process for nextcloud? Can you use the self updater?

Gooey0210 ,

In nixos you almost never use any “self” thing

You update everything with your whole system at once

Even the installed apps, the true nixos way to install them is through the configuration file

johntash ,

That makes sense, it does sound better to keep it within nixos! I’ve mostly been using nixos to bootstrap servers that run nomad+docker, so beyond the system-level config, I haven’t done a lot with additional software yet.

virtueisdead ,

ive tried to get nextcloud working several times and it just seems to never work for some reason… maybe i should set it up on a pi ive got laying around instead of my main server lol

cybersandwich ,

My advice: use the nextcloud snap package. It’s seamless.

4am ,

It is, in fact, the only Snap I’ve ever used which worked without issues

That being said, it’s kinda slow in some cases, but perfectly useable nonetheless

cybersandwich ,

I know snap isn’t popular among Linux nerds, but I was really having issues with the AIO docker setup and at the time I didn’t have the time to troubleshoot/fight it. I needed to give my family a file drop link to share photos for a memorial service.

I figured, the snap package was recommended on their site, maybe it won’t be horrible. To my surprise it was incredibly easy, has been rock solid, never had performance issues, and it’s always up-to-date.

Snap may suck for some use-cases but this one seems to be right in it’s wheel house.

It also has an export/backup capability built in.

virtueisdead ,

that is… surprising. not that i don’t believe you, snap just doesn’t have a good track record, lol. ill have to research if it’s feasible to run a snap package on a debian server, though.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Have you tried the AIO method that’s now the primary supported docker install?

It’s really good, and I’ve set up and used NC in a variety of ways since about version 7.

virtueisdead ,

im not sure / cannot recall. it’s been a few months since i last tried to install it and it kept erroring out. im definitely strongly considering looking back into it though, it’s just that reverse proxying to the container was a nightmare… it still haunts my config, lol

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

I use NPM and all I think I had to add to it was


<span style="color:#323232;">client_body_buffer_size 512k;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">proxy_read_timeout 86400s;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">client_max_body_size 0;
</span>

in the Advanced config. I’d love to move to Traefik but I could not figure out how to make that work.

There were some other gotchas. If you run into something, ping me, I might remember if I encountered it and what I did.

filister ,

Thanks for sharing it, really helpful post

redcalcium ,

I’m going to try this next week. My nextcloud instance is getting a bit sluggish lately.

thisisawayoflife ,

I wonder what performance impact there would be if you were to move pgsql onto bare metal with enough ram dedicated to caching all of the db data (think: i5 or i7 nuc). That’s going to be my next step with my homelab; I want to migrate everything to a single db host with a lot of RAM and M2 storage and avoid the db process replication I have going on. I have no performance complaints with NC currently, I’m running PHP cache and redis as well as image preview and imaginary.

possiblylinux127 ,

Does Postgres really help that much? It runs fine for me with MariaDB

tofubl OP ,

Very anecdotally, I saw a little speed improvement but not all that much. DB size increased a bit. I’ll be sticking with it for the time being because why not.

caleb ,

Thanks. I didn’t realize syslog would help. Just configured it to send to my grafana/loki server. Not sure if it’s really helping, but seems like maybe it’s a bit faster. I’ve long since done everything listed here and more, but in the last couple months my nextcloud has seemed a bit sluggish for some reason.

SecurityPro ,
@SecurityPro@lemmy.ml avatar

I had been running Nextcloud on an old laptop using Ubuntu, but that machine died. I have a Windows PC originally built for gaming that I am considering using for Nextcloud. Anyone have any experience with NC and Windows? Thought on the DB switch on Windows?

tofubl OP ,

I don’t think you’ll do yourself any favours setting it up on Windows directly. How about docker+wsl2?

SecurityPro , (edited )
@SecurityPro@lemmy.ml avatar

I have docker on the machine now and thought I’d try that type of install first. Sorry, I’m not familiar with the abbreviation “wsl2”

blasterx ,

it stands for Windows Subsystem for Linux. Here is a link on how to install it.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

100% agree with tofubi, Docker on Windows is a form of self-abuse, like cutting yourself. It’s a train wreck for anything other than a little bit of testing for development work. You will come away with a bad taste in your mouth about Docker, I avoided containers for years because I started with them on Windows docker.

I’ve run a lot of different scenarios with docker, what I’ve come down to as the cleanest and easiest to maintain is Debian 12 with the Docker convenience script. It’s fast, hassle free, and doesn’t have a bunch of layers of weirdness like using Ubuntu Server with a docker snap that makes troubleshooting a nightmare.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

for anything other than a little bit of testing for development work.

It’s really awesome for development work, though. Visual Studio has built-in Docker support, so I can run my app and its unit tests on both Windows and Linux (via Docker) at the same time on the same system during development.

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