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Is there a scientific calendar which uses a different reference than Jesus?

I hope questions are allowed here. I am curios if there is a different sort of scientific calendar which does not use the birth of Jesus as a reference like AD and BC. For example Kurzgesagt’s calendars use the the current year plus 10000 as this represents the human better or something like that.

Would there be a way to do this more accurately? How could we, in a scientific correct way, define a reference from where we are counting years?

Also I have read about the idea of having 13 months instead of 12 would be “nice” because then we could have a even distributed amount of days per month.

Are there already ideas for this? What would you recommend to read?

m3t00 ,
@m3t00@lemmy.world avatar

ask ntp. they breath this stuff. www.ntp.org

m3t00 ,
@m3t00@lemmy.world avatar

now could always be zero with future positive and past negative. serious refactoring

stardustpathsofglory OP ,

That is one interesting approach. I like it.

anticurrent ,

The one I am looking for counts the remaining days to total nuclear annihilation.

jpreston2005 ,

13 months would be great for salaried employees too (so long as the pay per month isn’t reduced, which, well, of course it will be, but a man can dream)

Adderbox76 ,

Historians don’t use “BC” and “AD”. Haven’t for a while now.

While the arbitrary date remains the same (year zero), it’s C.E. (common era) or B.C.E. (Before common era)

FYI

ohlaph ,

Came here to say this. It’s an easy reference for most, so it makes sense why they kept it.

therealjcdenton ,

There is literally nothing wrong with BC and AD. If you can’t accept it because ‘muh religion bad’ you need serious help

trolololol ,

Also I need to point that there’s nothing scientific about year 0 matching up the birth of some dude, no matter who he/she/them is. Equally important scientifically is the eruption of a random volcano or the birth of a different dude. Or the death of one . Many calendars start when someone started being king, which usually coincides with their father’s death.

CileTheSane ,
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There’s nothing scientific about February having 28 days, but it would be an unnecessary pain in the ass to change it at this point.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Would it actually?

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

How would you go about changing it and what would be the value in doing so?

I remind you about the difficulty we are currently having eliminating Daylight Savings which requires actual effort to maintain

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Quite simple.

We change February to a 29 day month, and all the others to 28 days, then add a month named after the greatest person to ever live, DragonTypeWyvern. This results in 13 28 day months, and eliminates numerous scheduling mistakes and saves quite a lot of time, on the scale of the rest of human history (hopefully).

Some say to have a separate global holiday with the extra day instead of putting it in February, with it extended to a two day holiday on Leap Years, however making February the longest month is funny.

CileTheSane ,
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That doesn’t answer how you would get everyone to go along with it. Every program with dates needs to be rewritten. I once again remind you the difficulty in getting rid of Daylight Savings time which requires effort on people to maintain and causes documented problems every year.

You also haven’t explained why this would be worth the hassle of doing so.

I did not say it would be difficult to develop a better system, I said it would be incredibly difficult to implement a better system.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Simple. Just do it and ignore everyone who cries about it.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

okay, you let me know how that goes.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Will do 👍

PersonalDevKit ,

On this point, it would be stupidly hard.

Just from a programming and software perspective. All the old code that runs banks and the back end of air travel. It barely runs as it is, do a switch up of years, even leaving the months alone and it would probably freak out. Standadize the months while you are at it and the whole thing falls apart.

Are you old enough to remember Y2K? That required a lot of techs to spend a huge amount of time fixing code that was never intended to see years change from 19xx to now just even consider 20xx.

That is before we go about changing paper Birth Documents, marriage documents, house deads, … Should I go on?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Sounds like a good way to fix these mass layoffs in tech.

PersonalDevKit ,

I like your optimism, fairly unrealistic but the optimism is nice to see

trolololol ,

Haha I would talk about to time keeping in sw but glad I don’t to anymore

Randomgal ,

A bit sensitive about religion, are we?

harrys_balzac ,

Who is this Jesus fellow? Everyone knows that today is a.d. viii Id. Aug. anno MMDCCLXXVII A.U.C.

jabjoe ,
@jabjoe@feddit.uk avatar

en.wikipedia.org/…/International_Fixed_Calendar

khaliso ,

The YouTube Channel Kurzgesagt has proposed a calendar based on the 'Human Era’ (HE) instead of before/after christ format.

It’s based on the first monument of large-scale human cooperation (building a temple in modern-day turkey) and is quite elegant in my opinion. It ‘simply’ adds 10.000 years to the calendar we’re all already used to. :)

BackOnMyBS ,
@BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place avatar

I’ve been buying one every year since they came out. I love how the week starts on Monday.

blackn1ght ,

I love how the week starts on Monday.

Don’t all calendars start on Monday? I guess calendars in the Middle East might be different as their weekend days are different to those in Europe.

trolololol ,

Nope. Portuguese starts with Sunday. Can’t be changed since Monday = segunda which literally means second.

Professorozone ,

I think because the work week feels like the start of the week, especially when people refer to Saturday and Sunday as the weekend, it is assumed that Monday is the first day of the week. Open the calendar on your phone. It’s Sunday. Can’t speak for all cultures but it’s been that way in the US, “forever.”

blackn1ght ,

Open the calendar on your phone. It’s Sunday.

It’s not, it’s Monday - Monday is the first day of the week here, to be honest I thought that was the same across the western world. TIL I guess!

Professorozone ,

Really? Well I guess I learned too. Mine is absolutely Sunday. Wonder if it’s a setting. I’m on Android (Zenfone 10)in the US. You?

blackn1ght ,

It’ll just be part of the culture settings - en-GB (I’m in the UK) systems will have the calendars set the first day of the week as Monday.

trolololol ,

Kiugessgt was good before they started listing all the ways humanity is doomed. I just can’t watch it anymore.

SomethingBurger ,

Don’t worry! Technology can fix everything!

This video is sponsored by the Bill Gates Foundation.

Silentiea ,
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Can’t stand for this Melinda Gates erasure.

trolololol ,

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zueski ,

Epoc time?

anindefinitearticle ,

Barycentric Dynamical Time is one example of an astronomical time standard used in orbital dynamics models requiring consistency across billions of years and relativistic reference frames.

PhlubbaDubba , (edited )

My ideal is dropping the month altogether for 13 week Quarters with the last day being an intercalary outside the week and same for leap days.

If you wanna avoid huge date numbers, break it down further by weeks, so for example my BDay this year would be 3.10.3, third day of the tenth week of the third quarter.

As for year counting, I like Era of History for the current era, dating to the invention of writing, Era of Legend, dating back 100k years to the earliest date that stories we have preserved now would have to date back to, Era of Evolution, which dates back to the development of Life on Earth, Era of Stars which dates back to the birth of the first Stars in the Universe, and finally the Era of Energy, in which the universe was so superheated that large cosmic structures were physically impossible, dating to the Big Bang.

Today’s Date is 3.8.1; 5,224 EoH

SlopppyEngineer ,

You can also make a quarter align with the seasons, so you can just call it spring, winter, …

You can also keep 12 months and make them 30 days each, and add an equinox day in between the seasons. Winter solstice has new year tacked to it and in a leap year summer solstice is two days with the leap year. Keeps it all nicely aligned with the sun.

If you really want you can do weeks of 6 days so each month comes down to exactly 5 weeks of 6 days so the calendar is perfectly reusable each year.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Yeah but with the 7 day week you only have 1 or two intercalaries to figure out

6 day weeks leave you with five or six, and having almost a week on average of extra days to make work feels like too much of a nuisance just to be able to keep a unit of measure that doesn’t really serve any actual specificity that you can’t get with the Q-W-D format date.

4lan ,

Doesn’t the Southern hemisphere experience winter when we have summer?

deadbeef79000 ,

Yes.

Also, the Moon is “upside down” too!

Zier ,
@Zier@fedia.io avatar

That would create a problem for billing and rent. $2000/month becomes $6500/a quarter. And people who only get paid monthly would not be able to stretch that properly. Many people have bad financial skills.

WoahWoah ,

CE and BCE. Same thing different name. shrug

hperrin ,

Holocene Calendar is the one used by those Kurzgesagt calendars.

rimu ,
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Maybe we are currently living in a BC era and year 0 hasn't happened yet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_calendar

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Zero_(political_notion

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