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RustyNova ,

I hate AI, but here it’s a bit understandable why copilot says that. If you ask the same thing to someone else they would surely respond 2 as they my imply you are trying to spell the word, and struggle on whether it’s one or two R on the last part.

I know it’s a common thing to ask in french when we struggle to spell our overly complicated language, so it doesn’t shock me

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

Nah it’s because AI works at the token level which is usually words. They don’t even “see” the letters in the words

Hackworth ,

Thank you. For as much as this post comes up, I hope people are at least getting an education.

CodexArcanum ,

I was curious if (since these are statistical models and not actually counting letters) maybe this or something like it is a common “gotcha” question used as a meme on social media. So I did a search on DDG and it also has an AI now which turned up an interestingly more nuanced answer.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/883cf1b0-39c9-45ec-9df9-f476d9ac3480.jpeg

It’s picked up on discussions specifically about this problem in chats about other AI! The ouroboros is feeding well! I figure this is also why they overcorrect to 4 if you ask them about “strawberries”, trying to anticipate a common gotcha answer to further riddling.

DDG correctly handled “strawberries” interestingly, with the same linked sources. Perhaps their word-stemmer does a better job?

sus ,

many words should run into the same issue, since LLMs generally use less tokens per word than there are letters in the word. So they don’t have direct access to the letters composing the word, and have to go off indirect associations between “strawberry” and the letter “R”

duckassist seems to get most right but it claimed “ouroboros” contains 3 o’s and “phrasebook” contains one c.

ReveredOxygen ,
@ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works avatar

DDG’s one isn’t a straight LLM, they’re feeding web results as part of the prompt.

CommanderCloon ,

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/1441c911-7fe4-47a0-b665-c5bbf5a084b1.jpeg

Lmao it’s having a stroke

baltakatei ,

“Create a python script to count the number of r characters are present in the string strawberry.”


<span style="color:#323232;">The number of 'r' characters in 'strawberry' is: 2
</span>

https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/35bbe738-e3e0-45f1-8a9f-0674fa2bc088.webp

Takumidesh ,

You need to tell it to run the script

stevedidwhat_infosec ,

You’ve discovered an artifact!! Yaaaay

If you ask GPT to do this in a more math questiony way, itll break it down and do it correctly. Just gotta narrow top_p and temperature down a bit

VitaminF ,

Chatgpt just told me there is one r in elephant.

affiliate ,

maybe it’s using the british pronunciation of “strawbry”

portuga ,

There’s a simple explanation: LLMs are “R” agnostic because they were specifically trained to not sail the high seas

Boomkop3 ,

Stwawberry

Beanie ,

Strawbery

aoidenpa ,

Strawbery

crusty ,

Strawbery

dosuser123456 ,
@dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

stawebry

vaionko ,

Strarbey

LEONHART ,

I instinctively read that in Homestar Runner’s voice.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

“Appwy wibewawy!”

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
@SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz avatar

“Dang. This is, like… the never-ending soda.”

ByteOnBikes ,

Welp time to spend 3 hours rewatching all the Strongbad emails.

dosuser123456 ,
@dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

“it is possible to train 8 days a week.”

– that one ai bot google made

glimse ,

Copilot may be a stupid LLM but the human in the screenshot used an apostrophe to pluralize which, in my opinion, is an even more egregious offense.

It’s incorrect to pluralizing letters, numbers, acronyms, or decades with apostrophes in English. I will now pass the pedant stick to the next person in line.

homesweethomeMrL ,

I salute your pedantry.

Beanie ,

That’s half-right. Upper-case letters aren’t pluralised with apostrophes but lower-case letters are. (So the plural of ‘R’ is ‘Rs’ but the plural of ‘r’ is ‘r’s’.) With numbers (written as ‘123’) it’s optional - IIRC, it’s more popular in Britain to pluralise with apostrophes and more popular in America to pluralise without. (And of course numbers written as words are never pluralised with apostrophes.) Acronyms are indeed not pluralised with apostrophes if they’re written in all caps. I’m not sure what you mean by decades.

ryannathans ,

Why use for lowercase?

GetOffMyLan ,

Because English is stupid

SlopppyEngineer ,

It’s not stupid. It’s just the bastard child of Germany, Dutch, French, Celtic and Scandinavian and tries to pretend this mix of influences is cool and normal.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Victim blaming and ableism!

The French and Scandinavian bits were NOT consensual.

(Don’t forget Latin btw)

roguetrick ,

There are plenty of non Norman consensual French words and the Danes had as much a right to be there as the Angles and the Saxons did in kicking the celts out. Let’s not even talk about if the anglo-Saxons had more legitimate claim than the norse-gaels.

bisby ,

Because otherwise if you have too many small letters in a row it stops looking like a plural and more like a misspelled word. Because capitalization differences you can make more sense of As but not so much as.

Mouselemming ,

By decades they meant “the 1970s” or “the 60s”

I don’t know if we can rely on British popularity, given y’all’s prevalence of the “greengrocer’s apostrophe.”

ProfessorProteus ,
@ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world avatar

Never heard of the greengrocer’s apostrophe so I looked it up. thoughtco.com/what-is-a-greengrocers-apostrophe-1…

I absolutely love that there’s a group called the Apostrophe Protection Society. Is there something like that for the Oxford Comma? I’d gladly join them!

SkyezOpen ,

I will die on both of those hills alongside you.

Aatube ,

In fact, there’s a hit song called “Oxford Comma”!

Bunnylux ,
@Bunnylux@lemmy.world avatar

Oooh, pedant stick, pedant stick! Give it to me!!

warbond ,

Thank you. Now, insofar as it concerns apostrophes (he said pedantically), couldn’t it be argued that the tools we have at our immediate disposal for making ourselves understood through text are simply inadequate to express the depth of a thought? And wouldn’t it therefore be more appropriate to condemn the lack of tools rather than the person using them creatively, despite their simplicity? At what point do we cast off the blinders and leave the guardrails behind? Or shall we always bow our heads to the wicked chroniclers who have made unwitting fools of us all; and for what? Evolving our language? Our birthright?

No, I say! We have surged free of the feeble chains of the Oxfords and Websters of the world, and no guardrail can contain us! Let go your clutching minds of the anchors of tradition and spread your wings! Fly, I say! Fly and conformn’t!

…

I relinquish the pedant stick.

0laura ,

The people here don’t get LLMs and it shows. This is neither surprising nor a bad thing imo.

krashmo ,

In what way is presenting factually incorrect information as if it’s true not a bad thing?

14th_cylon ,

Maybe in a “it is not going to steal our job… yet” way.

krashmo ,

True but if we suddenly invent an AI that can replace most jobs I think the rich have more to worry about than we do.

14th_cylon ,

Maybe, but I am in my 40s and my back aches, I am not in a shape for revolution :D

0laura ,

LLMs operate using tokens, not letters. This is expected behavior. A hammer sucks at controlling a computer and that’s okay. The issue is the people telling you to use a hammer to operate a computer, not the hammer’s inability to do so

itsraining ,

People who make fun of LLMs most often do get LLMs and try to point out how they tend to spew out factually incorrect information, which is a good thing since many many people out there do not, in fact, “get” LLMs (most are not even acquainted with the acronym, referring to the catch-all term “AI” instead) and there is no better way to make a precaution about the inaccuracy of output produced by LLMs –however realistic it might sound– than to point it out with examples with ridiculously wrong answers to simple questions.

Edit: minor rewording to clarify

ChairmanMeow ,
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

Plenty of fun to be had with LLMs.

https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/845f9ce4-bcfb-4b8d-8edb-e7bcde4946e2.png

cypherix93 ,

“strawberry”.split(‘’).filter(c => c === ‘r’).length

SpaceNoodle ,

len([c if c == ‘r’ for c in “strawberry”])

tiefling ,

‘strawberry’.match(/r/ig).length

Anticorp ,

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    Sluyter548 ,

    A zero indexed array doesn’t have a different length ;)

    Toneswirly ,

    Ladies and gentlemen: The Future.

    itsraining ,

    “In the Future, people won’t have to deal with numbers, for the mighty computers will do all the numbers crunching for them”

    The mighty computers:

    homesweethomeMrL ,

    Jesus hallucinatin’ christ on a glitchy mainframe.

    I’m assuming it’s real though it may not be but - seriously, this is spellcheck. You know how long we’ve had spellcheck? Over two hundred years.

    This? This is what’s thrown the tech markets into chaos? This garbage?

    Fuck.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    I was just thinking about Microsoft Word today, and how it still can’t insert pictures easily.

    This is a 20+ year old problem for a program that was almost completely functional in 1995.

    schnurrito ,

    This is hardly programmer humor… there is probably an infinite amount of wrong responses by LLMs, which is not surprising at all.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    I don’t know, programs are kind of supposed to be good at counting. It’s ironic when they’re not.

    Funny, even.

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