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some_guy ,

What the fuck!

angelmountain ,

How happy I am with prettier. This is just a thing in an ancient past for me now.

Username ,

Recently tried biome for a web project. It’s a combined linter and formatter, and it’s so good. Compatible with prettier too.

key ,

Are you referring to autoformat like most linters and IDEs can do or does prettier have some special transpilation capability to hide braces?

GissaMittJobb ,

Automatically enforced deterministic formatting is the best, there’s nothing that beats it. The productivity in just being able to format on save knowing that the code will be in the ideally formatted state, along with the anti-bikeshedding properties of this strategy, makes it unbeatable.

h0bbl3s ,
@h0bbl3s@lemmy.world avatar

gofumpt and gofmt are the best. One of the reasons if I have a choice I’ll code in go. I heard rumblings that rust was working towards having rustfmt be a standard crate.

nick ,

Jesus fucking Christ.

bdonvr ,

Actually that seems great?

mox , (edited )

Growing up with C made me assume semicolons and braces were needed to avoid subtle bugs, but experience with more recent languages showed me that it’s possible to reliably parse the same semantic cues that humans use: indentation, parentheses, and other such context. (Perhaps this was less viable when C was invented, due to more constrained hardware.)

I was skeptical at first, but in practice, I have never encountered a bug caused by this approach in Python, Nim, or any other language implementing it consistently, over the course of a decade or two using them. Meanwhile, I have seen more than a few bugs caused by brace and semicolon mistakes.

So nowadays (outside of niche & domain-specific languages) I see braces and semicolons as little more than annoying noise and fuel for religious arguments.

GBU_28 ,

Plus any decent editor catches when lines are unreachable or in violation due to misformatting.

If not that, which seems unlikely, your unit tests would

Ephera ,

Well, Python kind of does the reverse of a semicolon: If you want to continue a statement over multiple lines, then you have to \
escape it.
Python also then tries to avoid multi-line statements for that reason, but yeah, in most other languages this would be equally as annoying as semicolons are.

There are some languages which use neither, for example Scala, but I can at least say that while I consider the people behind Scala and Rust equally competent and the languages more or less equally modern, Rust just completely blew it out of the water in terms of error messages despite being much younger. (Not because Scala is bad, Rust is just incredibly good there.)

And yeah, I’m suspecting that Rust using semicolons makes the difference there.
While Scala will pretty much have to guess where a statement with compile error ends, Rust just knows it ends at most at the next semicolon.

I will also say my experience is opposite of yours. I have managed multiple times to try to access a variable in Python, which wasn’t in scope anymore, because the indentation wasn’t enough of a visual cue to me.
And in any modern language, missing/missplaced semicolons or braces are a compile error, with clear error message where it’s missing. I genuinely don’t even know how you’d get a bug out of that.

mox ,

Well, Python kind of does the reverse of a semicolon: If you want to continue a statement over multiple lines, then you have to \ escape it.

That’s not true. Being within parentheses, brackets, quotes, etc. is enough for the parser to know you’re continuing. In practice, I find that context is already present in most cases.

For the other cases, occasionally surrounding an expression in parentheses is easy enough. Long conditionals probably deserve parentheses anyway, for clarity.

Monstera ,

Fortran is ancient and does fine without ;

magic_lobster_party ,

In Java it’s quite difficult to forget semicolon and still have a syntactically correct program.

I think braces are incredibly important. With Python it can be confusing which indentation is correct when copying code between files. Different indentations can easily be still syntactically correct, but the outcome is vastly different. It’s often I have to double and triple check to verify I copied the code with correct indentation.

sunglocto ,

Idk why but i fell in love with this and might just use it now

Vilian ,

God

wesker ,
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

bro what the fuck

savvywolf ,
@savvywolf@pawb.social avatar

Whitespace isn’t semantically important. Ticket closed.

DrWeevilJammer ,
@DrWeevilJammer@lemmy.ml avatar

That would be a very satisfying ticket closure

superkret ,

The braces need indentation, of course.

zqwzzle ,

Fibonacci indentation of course.

solidgrue ,
@solidgrue@lemmy.world avatar

Looks like Python, but in an editor which with a weird TUI scrollbar

subignition ,
@subignition@fedia.io avatar

High chance that it's a Python programmer who is really unhappy about having to work in Java, lol

arudesalad ,

Doesn’t python need colons after if/else/for/etc. statements?

_stranger_ ,

Heh, so in Python it’s possible to overload operators in the context of objects. I bet it would be possible to overload tabs to do the same thing as colons inside a context manager, but that’s pure speculation.

takeda ,

Perhaps I don’t understand you, but I don’t think there’s a way to override spaces in python in any way. The spaces are handled by the parser.

zaphod ,

You can write Fortran Python in any language.

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