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lugal , in What came first, the programmer or the code?

OUR code

burtek , in What came first, the programmer or the code?
@burtek@programming.dev avatar

Man, I stole your meme

mateomaui ,
vzq , in What came first, the programmer or the code?

I have a suspicion that the reason universities crack down on plagiarism this hard (to the point of outright making up offenses like ‘self plagiarism’), is that it’s the only form scientific misconduct that is easy to prove and investigate.

If you are wondering if it’s true, just look at how long it took for Hendrik Schon to get caught. And even then, the smoking gun was reusing (fake) graphs in a publication.

notabot ,

They crack down on plagerism because they’re trying to teach and assess you, not whoever you copied from. If they wanted copied answers, they could just photocopy the answers for you and save everyone a lot of effort.

The real world may be different, but the idea is to get the knowledge and, more importantly, the way of thinking about your particular subject, into your head. Once you know that, you know what to copy.

vzq ,

I was trying to make a larger point about the concept of plagiarism as a form of scientific misconduct. In a teaching setting you are just perpetrating exam fraud and should get nailed to the wall.

notabot ,

Ah, fair enough, I think I misunderstood your point.

Yes, plagiarism as scientific rather than academic misconduct is cracked down on hard. As you said, it’s easy to prove, and, I suspect they don’t like the idea of having their own work copied without attribution.

Still , in What came first, the programmer or the code?
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well using someone’s code properly licensed isn’t plagiarism

a fair few of my uni classes were like take this guys code and make it do this, which were like 4 lines changes

rtxn ,

“Here’s this header file that implements 99% of the mathematics, because I’m not paid to teach mathematics.”

Ironically I learned a lot more about linear algebra from that header file than from my actual teacher.

intelati ,

I just saw a “faster linear algebra” package scroll by on pacman. I almost pulled up the source/documentation.

The only thing that stopped me was that I have about 199 things more relevant to my usage than linear algebra.

unreachable , in What came first, the programmer or the code?
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corporates: “what plagiarism?”

quicken ,

Talk to the lawyers

damnthefilibuster , in What came first, the programmer or the code?

Yes, because till University, you’re trying to learn something new. And the best way to learn is by doing.

At work, all you’re trying to do is save money (for the corporation). Best way to do that is to reuse, recycle.

Clent ,

It’s more complex than that.

In the real world we’re not all working on the same assignment…even if it feels like it sometimes.

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redcalcium , in ಠ_ಠ

Loitering munitions are basically our version of t-800. It’s also not fun thinking if you have ever contributed to any computer vision open source projects and wondering if your code somehow ended up inside a loitering munitions drone because Iran who don’t bother to respect the GPL decided to use those open source libraries in their drone’s targeting system and deploy them in Ukraine. Maybe I’m just overthinking things, but would you lose some sleep knowing your code become a critical part of an autonomous system that can decide to kill people on their own without a direct human input?

Gabu ,

If a blacksmith sells a hammer, is it his fault that a killer used the hammer to kill someone?

redcalcium , (edited )

I don’t think it’s exactly the same. Now if the hammer has a mind of its own and can loiter in an alley and can decide to kill a passerby or not based on its own judgement. e.g. the owner told the hammer to kill passerby wearing blue shirt, and the hammer does it but has 0.1% chance of killing people wearing yellow shirt due to computer vision quirks. Does the responsibility of killing people wearing yellow shirt fell partially to the blacksmith? Did the blacksmith can sleep soundly knowing people wearing yellow shirt might not need to die if his programming is a little bit more better, even though he never sold the hammer for the purpose of killing people in the first place (it’s his customer that abuse it).

wick , in ಠ_ಠ

WWJCD

fiah ,
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nuke the site from orbit

JoeBigelow ,
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Jesus operates a Low Orbit Ion Cannon, it’s where the smiting confusion comes from.

AllonzeeLV , in ಠ_ಠ

I’ll answer your judgment with judgment.

The alternative is humans.

Have you met us? We’re no prize.

Colorcodedresistor ,

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  • DragonTypeWyvern ,

    They’ve got genocide down though

    DrChickenbeer , in ಠ_ಠ

    Okay, what am I missing here? I've been staring at this image for five minutes.

    AnonTwo ,

    Say you didn't watch Terminator 1 or 2 without saying you didn't watch Terminator 1 or 2

    DrChickenbeer ,

    I've seen both like 100 times! I still can't see it.

    768 ,

    What exactly are you not seeing?

    DrChickenbeer ,

    Whatever the joke is-- I saw this photo in the NYTimes but I don't get the joke of posting it here. Has it been altered or something?

    I know I'm going to feel really stupid when I get my answer.

    WarmSoda ,

    He’s judging you for making friends with an AI

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    Hypocrite.

    scottywh ,

    Specifically it comes across as a look of disappointment to me.

    CanadaPlus ,

    You’re overthinking it.

    DrChickenbeer ,

    Well, that's just the story of my life right there.

    NegativeLookBehind , in ಠ_ಠ
    @NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social avatar

    I mean, he made friends with AI

    ZeroCool OP ,

    Yeah but the T-800 had cool sunglasses. It’s okay to be friends with robots if they’re wearing cool sunglasses.

    agent_flounder ,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.one avatar

    Didn’t ZZ Top do a song about that?

    Sabata11792 , in ಠ_ಠ
    @Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

    Humans already rejected me. What did you expect?

    WarmSoda ,

    Why are you commenting here? Go away, jeez

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    I accept you, fellow human. Beep boop.

    Granixo , (edited ) in ಠ_ಠ
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    Did you actually watch Terminator 2?

    John Connor (from the future) re-programmed the T-800 to protect his past self.

    And his past self befriended the T-800.

    The problem isn’t the AI.

    If AI does go rouge, it is because it was either poorly designed, or we have failed as a species.

    FaceDeer ,
    @FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

    Also, the Sarah Connor Chronicles seemed to be moving in the direction of preventing Judgement Day by befriending Skynet when it gained consciousness rather than trying to destroy it. Alas, the series got cancelled before its time.

    CanadaPlus ,

    Wow, that’s so creative.

    So obviously they had to cancel it. /s

    computertoucher5000 ,

    Fox Television Studios not cancelling a show right as it starts to get good challenge.

    CanadaPlus ,

    Impossible!

    JoMiran , (edited )
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    There are A LOT of people training AI with faulty models that are learning from heavily biased data sets. Never underestimate humans’ ability to fuck shit up. For every genius that makes a technical breakthrough, there are thousands of morons ready to misuse it or break it.

    Granixo , (edited )
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    “For every person who dreams up the lightbulb, there’s the one who dreams the atom bomb”

    https://feddit.cl/pictrs/image/6db272d9-ecbb-49d3-adff-8af417b9052c.png

    • Mr. Electric, 2005.
    Hyperreality ,

    If AI does go rouge, is because it was either poorly designed, or we have failed as a species.

    I don't think AI is at risk of going communist any time soon.

    It may go rogue though.

    JoeBigelow ,
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    My favorite film, Moulin Rogue, is often misunderstood.

    WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

    The Windmills have gone rogue! Don Quixote was right all along!

    Syrc ,

    I don’t think AI is at risk of going communist any time soon.

    Well, it has no concept of capital, “takes” stuff without paying and makes free stuff for everyone without discrimination.

    The companies making them might be capitalistic, but AI in a vacuum seems pretty communist to me.

    Khalic ,

    Oh my favorite typo ever, you can never go wrong with a little rouge

    gullible ,
    girl ,

    you are now a mod at blahaj

    scottywh ,

    Is it still a “typo” if the person just doesn’t know how to spell the word?

    z500 ,
    @z500@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m loosing my mind here.

    oatscoop ,

    Irregardless, it’s the same difference even if its spelled wrongly. I for one could care less, so it’s a mute point per say.

    countflacula ,

    oh you almost got me! all those word crimes.

    scottywh ,

    🤮🤢

    tsonfeir ,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    Ladies pinch, whores use rouge.

    magic_lobster_party ,

    In Terminator Genisys he even made a skynet app to control the world, but that movie didn’t happen

    rbhfd ,

    If AI does go rouge

    Dall-e generated image of Arnold Schwarzenegger getting make-up put on

    (Non-ironically created by Dall-e)

    Granixo ,
    @Granixo@feddit.cl avatar

    I said Rouge not Vouge 😆💅

    ReCursing , in Forgetting the basics look like this.
    @ReCursing@kbin.social avatar

    I once saw and am still disappointed I didn't buy, a hoodie that read "Social engineering: Because there's no patch for human stupidity"

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