I’m not sure I understand the problem. Is the problem that they’re not using matrix? Or do you prefer that it was still all on IRC? I don’t hate IRC but it’s definitely way less user friendly.
Another commenter mentioned that they have matrix, discord, IRC, and discourse, however everything but discord is dead. So, due to the network effect of just including discord, it reduces participation on other channels.
Communities that are “discord only” however exclude people like those in this comment section.
I refuse to use discord for all the reasons people mentioned. Personally, matrix + lemmy/kbin/mbin = best. Other opensource direct communication solutions are acceptable too, like Zulip or RocketChat, but only if bridged with matrix. Then I just need one account. For async, discourse is alright, but not my favorite.
IMO Discord is the best platform for this right now, which is unfortunate. The little I’ve tried Matrix has not been very impressive (single chatrooms, slow, bad self-hosting experience IMO), IRC is a bit better (though very dated in many regards, esp. user management) but still doesn’t have the categories/channels that make discord nice. And most other chats are proprietary with discord just being the best one.
A phone number is not strictly required. They use it for some verifications, like suspicious activity. You can switch the number to whichever account needs it at the time, but only one login can have that phone number.
I can count the number of projects where I wanted immediate feedback from random people on no hands. I do not think there are enough hands in my state to count the number of projects I’ve crawled docs and commentary from search engines. My use case for a community is an asynchronous repository of knowledge and issue tracker. Discord does none of those things.
I’ve been around open source for 20+ years and can tell you right now that it don’t work that way. An issue tracker and a wiki is not a community.
Most older open source communities were built on irl connections and irc, with some mailing lists thrown in. Hell, we even funded conferences just around the software, not to sell a product but just because it’s good for everyone to be talking to each other.
The issue tracker tracks the status of things, the wiki is generally user focused. It’s not where development happens or thinks get built.
I agree with that. I think that there are people that want that deeper level. Most of your users are not going to fit into that, though. If you’re only supporting your power users, you will eventually wither and die as your power users leave.
I first bought a book with Red Hat Linux 6 or 7 in the early aughties (pre-RHEL/Fedora split). While I have actively participated in the technical improvements of project since then, I have typically stayed out of the social aspects.
I hope I learn some day how to code a bug in python that will not show up in any error messages and absolutely ruins a program. I’d love to find a random program at whatever job I end up at and before quitting just ruin it with a random line of code that doesn’t output an error code.
It’s not hard to do. What would be hard would be getting it through code review. Like the example provided… how would that ever get through code review for a merge? Must not be a well-protected code base?
Publish your own package to PyPI that on import does some evil stuff. Name the package something similar to a known, but not too well known package. Supply chain attacks are even less defended against than other stuff.
All this relies on companies being shit though, but well, we all know that’s the case in a lot of places.
Yea… pipeline and dependency auditing isn’t trivial if you want to catch the subtle stuff. Even most of the devs that know how to do it are going to respond with, “above my pay grade…” unless they’re somehow actually getting paid enough to be arsed to do it correctly…
Logical errors are an entire domain of programmer troubleshooting. All you’ll have to do is attempt to learn programming, and you WILL write something that throws no errors, performs terribly, and confuses you for hours.
We all do. It’s almost a badge of honor to push past a few of them.
Hell, sometimes it happens when no one has made an error but a particular mix of data or odd arrangement of hardware it ends up running on hits an undiscovered edge case that buggers things up.
What the hell? Thats not funny or anything it just fucks with your ex-coworkers who probably werent the problem, management isnt affected by that.
Pro tip, you seem really arrogant these days and you need to tone that down before you enter the industry. Its nothing to be ashamed of and I’m not trying to insult you, you just assume your experiences are way more universally valid than they are.
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