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A better Revanced

Watched Louis Rossman today, and he’s part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.

adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it’s an app in the Lemmy spirit

(it’s got a paid model similar to winrar, you don’t have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)

PoliticallyIncorrect ,
@PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world avatar

Is it better than NewPipe x SponsorBlock?

Duck ,

Tried playing YouTube and it kept crashing and gave up. I’m happy with NewPipe

Blackmist ,

“Not compatible with my device” sadly. Probably Android version since my phone is old as all fuck.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

If you’re trying through the app store I would suggest the website, it has a few different options including non ARM device architecture!

SirStumps ,
@SirStumps@lemmy.world avatar

Godly

mechoman444 ,

The issue with all this is the general architecture of the internet, web browsers and programming languages and such aren’t going to fundamental change just because Google needs to see more ad revenue.

The harder they try to stick with this method of profiteering the harder the push back will be. There will always be ad block as long as there are ads.

All they’re doing is showing their cards and setting themselves up for defeat!

Unreliable ,

So I have multiple YouTube accounts under the same email. I tried to important my subscriptions but it takes them from the wrong account. Is there a way to select accounts?

niemcycle ,

This was my issue as well, I didn’t see the option to select unfortunately.

bionicjoey ,

I really hope they add sponsorblock and dearrow support in the future because this is a truly awesome app.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Dearrow is so nice, fuck them clickbaits.

CausticFlames ,

I just bought the FUTO voice input app as well from them and it’s genuinely amazing. It has punctuation where it needs to. It cuts out all the UM’s. And the best part is, I don’t have to pretend that I’m talking to a robot. I can just speak as if I’m talking to a normal person and it gets it right nearly every single time. It is so worth the $5.

This entire comment was typed with it, and I did not edit a single thing.

Puddy ,

Thank you so much for this suggestion. It’s really a great step towards the end of tedious voice messages. Works great but is a bit slow when using the multilang voice model. I don’t mind.

Lanky_Pomegranate530 ,
@Lanky_Pomegranate530@midwest.social avatar

I downloaded this app yesterday and I love it.

MakerThe11 ,

I wouldn’t classify it as a better revanced, but that doesn’t matter, thanks for sharing this awesome tool I really liked it, I first started incorporating Matrix in my life, then a couple days ago Lemmy, and now this, it’s great

unworthy ,

What is this Matrix you are talking about?

MakerThe11 ,

matrix.org

Search for Elements aswell with Matrix

unworthy ,

Interesting, thank you for sharing.

MakerThe11 ,

You are welcome 🤗

DAMunzy ,

Nice. I definitely have to check it out. I pay for Nebula/Curiosity Stream but am not able to play the Nebula videos with the screen off like I can with ReVanced. Hopefully I can with Grayjay.

cypherpunks ,
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

please edit this post to remove the incorrect claim that this is open source, as it is clearly not.

DAMunzy ,

gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/…/LICENSE: FUTO TEMPORARY LICENSE It seems like it’s more CC non-commercial and not truly libre but I can understand why someone would say open source.

cypherpunks ,
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

I can understand why someone would say open source

I can understand why too: it’s either because they were not aware of the widely agreed-upon definition of the term, or because they’re being disingenuous. I’m assuming it was the former; whether OP edits the post will reveal if it was actually the latter.

I_like_cats ,

It is not free software but it is open source. Stop gatekeeping the term. I can look at the code and modify it to my hearts content. I can also watch as the project is being developed. That means it’s open source. It would be free software if you where also allowed to redistribute it but I can fully see why they do not want that

cypherpunks ,
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

it is open source. Stop gatekeeping the term

i guess you didn’t click the link in my comment? here is another, with a list of governments and other entities who all agree about the definition: opensource.org/authority/

I_like_cats ,

Oh so what you’re trying to say is that, because the license they chose is not on this list, it’s not open source. Stupid take IMO but you do you

cypherpunks ,
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

It isn’t about the list of approved licenses, it’s about the criteria for being added to the list. New licenses regularly meet the definition. This license clearly does not.

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

so what Edward Snowden developed a closed source license

cypherpunks ,
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

oh cool, if Edward Snowden did it I guess software freedom isn’t important anymore 🙄

But seriously, did he? which one? I’m not familiar with that.

But even if he did release something under one, I would be extremely surprised if he called a non-free license “open source” as FUTO is doing here.

pewgar_seemsimandroid , (edited )

top 10 most deserving people to be on an emkay video number 2:

edit: also i borderline didn’t understand what he was saying

JohnDClay ,

The source is freely available, but it does not fit the common definition of open source. Namely, you’re not allowed to redistribute with tracking, malware, or adds. I guess this has been a problem with piped?

Skimmer ,

Yes, this has been a major issue for NewPipe, see here.

ToxicWaste ,

I have found three comments from you, where you insert yourself as an expert on what Open Source is/not is. Although you do link to some sources, you do so without arguing your point. IMO this is not a constructive way of communication. Since I believe your perspective is purist but overall not too helpful, I will go through the trouble an actually argue the point:

Your problem is following sentence published by the OSI: “The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources.” Which FUTO does - they won’t allow you to put ads on top of their software and distribute it. But I hope that you would agree with me that GNU GPL is an Open Source License. However, they do have a copyleft which practically makes selling software impossible. If you use a library which uses the GPL, you have to make your sources available - which makes selling a compiled version a difficult task…

If we look at Wikipedia, we see following sentence: “Generally, open source refers to a computer program in which the source code is available to the general public for use or modification from its original design.”, Grayjay fulfils this. Wikipedia continues: “{…}. Depending on the license terms, others may then download, modify, and publish their version {…}”, you are allowed to download and modify Grayjay. They do not allow you to commercially distribute your modifications, which is a license term.

Lets look at a big OSS company. Red Hat writes: “An open source development model is the process used by an open source community project to develop open source software. The software is then released under an open source license, so anyone can view or modify the source code.” These criteria are fulfilled by the FUTO TEMPORARY LICENSE (Last updated 7 June 2023). Red Hat does not mention the right to redistribute anywhere I could find it.

To those who actually read up to this point: I hope you find this helpful to form your own opinion based on your own research.

cypherpunks , (edited )
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

since you copy+pasted this wall of confused text to me in 3 different places I guess I’ll reply here too, in the not-deleted thread: opensource.org/authority/ (this is not even a controversial topic)

patatahooligan ,
@patatahooligan@lemmy.world avatar

You can argue that “open source” can mean other things that what the OSI defined it to mean, but the truth of the matter is that almost everyone thinks of the OSI or similar definition when they talk about “open source”. Insisting on using the term this way is deliberately misleading. Even your own links don’t support your argument.

A bit further down in the Wikipedia page is this:

Main article: Open-source software

Generally, open source refers to a computer program in which the source code is available to the general public for use for any (including commercial) purpose, or modification from its original design.

And if you go to the main article, it is apparent that the OSI definition is treated as the de fact definition of open source. I’m not going to quote everything, but here are examples of this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software#Defini…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software#Open-s…

And from Red Hat, literally the first sentence

Open source is a term that originally referred to open source software (OSS). Open source software is code that is designed to be publicly accessible—anyone can see, modify, and distribute the code as they see fit.

…

What makes software open source?

And if we follow that link:

In actuality, neither free software nor open source software denote anything about cost—both kinds of software can be legally sold or given away.

But the Red Hat page is a bad source anyway because it is written like a short intro and not a formal definition of the concept. Taking a random sentence from it and arguing that it doesn’t mention distribution makes no sense.

Here is a more comprehensive page from Red Hat, that clearly states that they evaluate whether a license is open source based on OSI and the FSF definitions.

Flatworm7591 ,
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This whole discussion is like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. It depends completely on how you define open source, and there is no single universally agreed upon definition. Per this article, there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree? For this particular app, there are some restrictions in place aimed to protect users from malicious forks. IMO this is a good thing. I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.

Many software buyers – even new developers – misunderstand the term “open source” to mean the software is available to use, copy, modify, and distribute as desired. This misunderstanding may arise from confusing open source with public domain or shareware, both of which are free to use and modify without specific permissions or licensing.

The truth is that, for the most part, open-source software is covered by one of several types of open source licenses and is not necessarily free of charge either.

In contrast to proprietary software where vendors typically make it impossible to access, copy or modify the source code, open source code permits the use, reuse, sharing, modification, and distribution of the code in other programs or applications. But just as with proprietary software licensing, open source software is subject to various legal terms and restrictions, depending on the type of open source license in force.

cypherpunks , (edited )
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there is no single universally agreed upon definition

There is an overwhelmingly agreed-upon definition. Look at who agrees with it: opensource.org/authority/

And who doesn’t agree? Historically, a few of the giant software companies who were threatened by the free software movement thought that “open source” was a way for them to talk the talk without walking the walk. However, years ago, even they all eventually agreed about OSI’s definition and today they use terms like source-available software for their products that don’t meet it.

Today it is only misinformed people like yourself, and grifters trying to profit off of the positive perception of the term. I’m assuming Louis Rossman is in the former category too; we’ll see in the near future if he acknowledges that the FUTO license is not open source and/or relicenses the project under an open source license.

there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I’m anticipating you wouldn’t agree?

There are many open source licenses, and many non-open-source licenses. there is a list of licenses which OSI has analyzed and found to meet their definition; licenses which aren’t on that list can be open source too… but to see if they are, you would need to read the license and the definition.

Have you read The Open Source Definition? I’m assuming not.

I can’t understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.

It’s because (1) FUTO are deceiving their customers by claiming that their product is something which it isn’t, and (2) they’re harming the free and open source software movements by telling people that terms mean things contrary to what they actually mean.

Flatworm7591 ,
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You make some good points, but whether it exactly meets every criteria of open source software as per that definition or not, I really can’t bring myself to care that much either way. I get that it’s important to you, and that’s fine, but not everyone cares that much about it. People can read and vet the source code, the intention of the project seems good, and the intention of the authors in deviating slightly from pure open source principles seems to be to protect their users from scammy clones, which also seems fine with me. TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community, and if this app helps people to avoid surveillance capitalism and puts even the slightest dent in Google’s massive profits then I’m all for it. Anyways, have a good one.

cypherpunks , (edited )
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

deviating slightly from pure open source principles

saying that prohibiting redistribution is just “deviating slightly from pure open source principles” is like saying that a dish with a bit of meat in it is just “deviating slightly” from a vegetarian recipe.

if you saw a restaurant labeling their food as vegetarian because their dishes were based on vegetarian recipes, but had some meat added, would you say that it seems like their intentions are good?

to protect their users from scammy clones

As I said in another comment, the way free open source software projects should (and can, and do) generally do this is using trademark law. He could license it under any free software license but require derivatives to change the name to avoid misleading or confusing users. This is what Firefox and many other projects do.

TBH we’re not really into strictly following the letter of the law in the pirate community

In the video announcing the project Louis Rossmann explicitly says he intends to vigorously enforce this license. Since it is a copyright license, the only ways of actually enforcing it are to send DMCA takedowns and/or sue people for copyright infringement.

Franzia ,

What fresh hell of goalpost moving is this? You’re so bad faith.

Scary_le_Poo ,
@Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org avatar

Oh go on you absolute fucking blowhard. Go print out a copy of osi and jerk off in your closet and leave the rest if us functional adults alone.

JokeDeity ,

Better than Revanced? So it can access all my watch history, comments, votes, subscriptions, etc? If not, then it’s not better for me.

Snapz ,

OP, did you purposely leave the Nazi hangout sites that this is meant to serve out of your content examples? The places that are generally career death sentences for the “cancelled”?

I generally like Louis, but this project seems like it will mostly be a tool for the rightfully de-platformed to retain an audience for their disinformation and hate.

Not a win for me right out the gate.

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    Snapz ,

    I hear you, I’m just not sure the % of actually legit cases of good people “lost” in YouTube’s broken system, where this app will be helpful, won’t be just completely dwarfed by the number of irredeemable dirtbags it helps keep their candles lit so they can live another day to shout about how you should drink bleach instead of utilizing legitimate modern medicine.

    Franzia ,

    Frankly the vast majority of my favorite creators have not been able to handle youtube and most have moved onto Twitch, where I’m not so interested in watching. Banned from YouTube though, or demonetized? Now we’re talking about ~5 creators Ive watched instead of hundreds.

    HughJanus ,

    Then just… don’t use those platforms? If you’re so afraid they’ll convert you.

    Snapz ,

    Not afraid for myself friend, afraid for the more easily misled, the ones that likely live in your mirrors at home.

    HughJanus ,

    If you have people living in your mirrors at home, you have much bigger problems than I can help you with, sorry.

    Snapz ,

    Woooosshhhh!

    sheepishly ,
    @sheepishly@kbin.social avatar

    Noo, I have to ban other people from using them too! People can't be allowed to do things I don't like!

    Cassa OP ,
    @Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Waitwhaaat?

    I, uh - honestly wasn’t aware of it - I mentioned examples that I was somewhat aware/familiar with…

    It honestly didn’t cross my mind with the nazi shit 💀💀

    Franzia ,

    Oh SHIT this is the first time I’m being made aware of that.

    janguv ,

    It is an interesting project, not sure where it goes. The title is deeply misleading though. The features of ReVanced make YouTube so much better, whereas this project doesn’t seem to be about making YouTube better so much as circumnavigating YouTube for the comment boxes and as your hub to creators. They seem to be doing different things.

    taanegl ,

    What do they do differently?

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