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azenyr ,

Streisand effect is currently very active on this one. Thousands of news outlets, many extremely casual and geared towards average joes who never new emulation existed, are now all being told that “this thing called yuzu can play switch games for free”. Nintendo is shooting themselves in the foot. Even if Yuzu dies, it will get forked and people who never knew emulation existed, now do, and look for alternatives.

chocosoldier ,

This is how I’m learning there’s an emulator for Switch games.

Funny thing is Switch was the first Nintendo device I’d even considered buying since GBC, but now that I know I can use my own hardware instead of paying through the nose for a locked-down Pi with a tiny screen and a shitty doll-size controller I’ll probably go that route instead. If I decide their branded shovelware is even worth playing in 2024 that is.

Gabu ,

If I decide their branded shovelware is even worth playing in 2024 that is.

And in a single sentence you tanked your entire credibility. Nintendo is pretty much the last publisher/developer of AAA games that still bothers with having high quality and fun experiences.

aniki ,

Yeah hate the business as much as you want but they never stopped making AAA games worth playing. Literally everything else has gone to shit but Mario is still fucking awesome.

chocosoldier ,

“credibility” gtfo that’s hilarious.

hey guys you need credibility to be a random jackoff on a forum with an opinion now.

Gabu ,

Believe it or not, normal humans with normal brains tend to not be just a random nerd in a forum. If you want to reduce yourself to a channer, by all means…

Also, what the fuck do you think discussion is?

improbablypoopingrn ,

The new Mario vs Donkey Kong, for $49.99, feels like it was someone’s first swing at Super Mario Maker…

fosstulate ,
@fosstulate@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Has it occurred to you that commerce might see advantage in weaponizing the Streisand effect?

Buddahriffic ,

Thanks Nintendo, this shit reminded and motivated me to cancel the auto-renew for my subscription. It is done.

fne8w2ah ,

Good luck to those out of touch wankers.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

brb downloading Yuzu repo

Swarfega ,

Are people finding games playable? I tried Zelda and it was unplayable due to lag.

thorbot ,

Which platform are you playing it on?

MrBusiness ,

Switch

Squiddly ,

Lol

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Depends on your hardware. For instance, the Steam Deck runs Yuzu beautifully.

Swarfega ,

I’ve not tried my deck. My desktop quite a lot more powerful than the deck so I guess it’s a config issue

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

It could be a config issue. If you’re using OpenGL, it could also be caused by shaders, which can cause the game to stutter the first time they’re generated. Once it’s generated, it’s cached and able to be recalled quickly. But the first time it’s used, it takes a moment to generate, which can lead to stuttering.

Basically, due to shaders being generated and stored, the game will tend to get smoother as you play it more, and will likely be stutter-free (or at least, nearly stutter-free) by your second playthrough.

Swarfega ,

This may be it. I did notice on the status bar it mentioned shaders. Is there no way to get these to be generated before play?

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Technically speaking, sharing the shader cache is illegal. Just like sharing the game files is illegal. You can 100% still find complete shader caches online, and it’s just a matter of dropping them into the correct folder. But again, it’s technically illegal to do, so you’ll likely need to visit some sketchy sites with your adblocker enabled.

The shaders are akin to the uncompressed game files, which are ready to use. It’s not a perfect comparison, but that’s the short version. So the shader cache will likely be just as large as the actual game.

Swarfega ,

Ok thanks.

KLISHDFSDF ,
@KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m able to play the Italian plumber game, can’t remember the name, on my spare six year old OnePlus 6T Android phone with a Bluetooth 8BitDo controller. my new Google Pixel crashes when I hit the jump button. it really depeyon the hardware. Also runs great on my desktop.

GnuLinuxDude ,
@GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml avatar

It was bewildering to me in the moment that when TOTK was leaked that they didn’t restrict themselves from working on the emu to handle TOTK. It was some nod and wink “breath of the wild” improvements coming in all of a sudden.

Like… for real? If I were the project lead I would’ve banned discussion and development about it until after launch. And part of the legal filing from Nintendo is that Yuzu’s own telemetry shows that Yuzu devs must be aware of piracy because they can see games being played on the emulator pre-launch. Make of that what you will.

Pika , (edited )
@Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t see how that is the Yuzo teams problem though, it’s the same argument people use with firearms, just because the emulator can be used to emulate contribute piracy doesn’t mean that it was made with the intent to. How would you recommend the Yuzo team actively block non-released games/restrict it down to only legal use? They used the telemetry data that they recieved to better improve their own platform, honestly it doesn’t really matter what that data is. The issue is fully at the user who used the tool illegally, not the developers of the tool.

God I hate current copyright law, in my opinion they need to do seething similar to the legal systems “when acting as an official” law and just have them exempt from copyright/privacy suits. This happens with every emulator and it’s generally used as a scare tactic to make the devs close shop.

GnuLinuxDude ,
@GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m no lawyer, but it seems to me when it comes to legal cases you want as many facts stacked in your favor as possible, and as few facts stacked against your favor as is possible. Because at the end of the day some jury or judge will decide one way or another, based on facts and prejudices.

Pika ,
@Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

I fully agree, a project should have as little ties to illegal content as it can, and yes the current system goes off of current legal law or at least how the judge/Jury interpret it. And that’s where a lot of this issue comes to play.

It’s quite clear in existing law that you are legally allowed to reverse engineer a piece of equipment that you have physically purchased, there is no argument on that. The issue occurs when you are reverse engineering something that has DRM because at that point you were breaking a security standard. This is also why most emulators are legal however ROMs are not, because while it’s completely legal to reverse engineer a switch for example, the ability to bypass the DRM on the game itself in order to play the game is breaking a security standard which is not referenced in existing laws or backup laws.

This, in my opinion is the biggest issue with current laws, it makes no sense for me to be allowed to make a digital Archive of something that I have, but not be allowed to circumvent the security on the item itself in order to actually use the archive. Due to this it also means that ripping 4K and Blu-ray discs also are breaking a DRM which means you are legally not allowed to make a digital copy of movies that you own. Which directly contradicts the intent of these laws.

Of course I’m talking about in the US, other countries have a more lapse ideology for a data retention and archival purposes. Maybe someday as the younger Generations get older they will reapproach current dmca and copyright law and give exemption for personal use to allow breaking DRM, but until that happens expect every emulator is going to have this same exact claim every time

GnuLinuxDude ,
@GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml avatar

Due to this it also means that ripping 4K and Blu-ray discs also are breaking a DRM which means you are legally not allowed to make a digital copy of movies that you own. Which directly contradicts the intent of these laws.

Yes, this has been a long-standing point of stupidity in my mind. It’s clearly inconsistent.

Gabu ,

Woah. Imagine defending piracy and gun ownership on the same breath… and equating the two, no less. You just banned piracy in every civilized country, congratulations.

Goblin_Mode ,

Oh shit, there’s a working open source switch emulator out there? Thanks Nintendo!

Aaaaaaaand downloaded the source code, Windows Installer, and Linux installer. Thanks again Nintendo, I really can’t express how thankful I am you brought attention to this!

Noodle07 ,

Wanna hear something funny? It works on steam deck

thorbot ,

And not just works. It works REALLY WELL. I dumped my switch onto my steam deck and sold it ages ago.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Yup. Steam Deck is literally the Switch 2.0 at this point. Upscaled graphics, better frame rates, modding capability, etc…

ILikeBoobies ,

You can mod on switch, modding isn’t an advantage

shadow ,

Forgot to mention: controls that don’t suck

bassomitron ,

I wouldn’t say that’s a universal truth. Some games perform like shit on Yuzu and others that simply aren’t stable. Yuzu is pretty damn good, but I’ve run into plenty of situations where graphics have lots of glitches, I’m crashing every 20-30 minutes due to a memory leak, etc. E.g. SMTV is one I recently opted to just play on my Switch natively because I got tired of random freezes after battles.

model_tar_gz ,

That’s why Nintenfux is suing. They have no other way to be competitive in mobile gaming now.

dutchkimble ,

Can you pair 4 joycons to it too?

ILikeBoobies ,

It works on Switch as well if you install linux then install it. But performance makes that not worth it

KuroeNekoDemon ,

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    conti473 ,

    Forks get deleted when and if it comes so far

    BlackSam ,

    Not if you “fork” it locally by doing git clone --mirror and doing git push newOrigin --mirror 😉

    d3Xt3r , (edited )

    And refactor the code a bit to be on the safe side - change the name of the project and remove any references to litigious companies. And use an anonymous handle + VPN/proxy chains so they can’t sue you.

    Honestly it boggles my mind that devs contribute to emulators like these using identifiable names and traceable IPs, when everyone knows how these greedy corporations operate. Did no one learn anything from the Sony vs Geohotz case, or all the subsequent takedown against emulators? Why do these devs keep falling into the same trap again and again?

    DeepGradientAscent ,
    @DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev avatar

    Because anonymous, but performant, network infrastructure is hard to configure (for non-experts).

    veniasilente ,

    Not if you fork locally or outside Github.

    Surprise! Yes, there’s lots more Git outside Github. As one commenter said, Github is to Git what Pornhub is to porn.

    YourMom ,
    @YourMom@hexbear.net avatar

    Same yo. I would have never found it, now I’m downloading a game.

    Any good torrent sites for switch games you know of?

    joe_cool ,

    There are two that work pretty well. Yuzu and Ryujinx. A while ago some games only worked on one or the other. Thanks to open source they both improved dramatically.

    Alsephina ,

    It is always morally correct to pirate nintendo products.

    Or anything by megacorps in general really

    aniki ,

    It’s impossible to steal from a billionaire.

    Hadriscus ,

    I had no idea such a thing existed. I don’t usually buy Nintendo stuff, but if this is free I’ll probably give it a try

    FlavoredButtHair ,
    @FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world avatar

    Damn so now they gotta rename the emulator something different. Nah fuck Nintendo.

    knobpolisher ,

    That is a pretty good name!

    werefreeatlast ,

    Did you get the new NFN release? LOL NFN

    Sabata11792 ,
    @Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

    I never really wanted to pay any Switch games in general, but any one got a good source for roms?

    Squiddly ,

    Go to your favorite torrent site and search there.

    PiratePanPan ,
    @PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I’ve heard good things about nsw2u’s Google Drive links, but you have to use an adblocker…

    If you’re worried, torrenting might be a better option

    ShadowCat ,

    ziperto.

    SergioFLS ,
    @SergioFLS@feddit.cl avatar

    i’m afraid that if NoA wins this, console manufacturers might start slapping DRM into their consoles, and therefore making them (legally) unemulatable and potentially discouraging development of modern console emulation.

    now sure, this is a piracy sub, but i’m not sure if the yuzu devs are keen into piracy…

    i also wonder if there’s any way to fight back. people who dump their legal copies are being screwed as well.

    mayuraviva ,
    @mayuraviva@shelter.moe avatar

    @SergioFLS @ardi60
    I'm really concerned about the future of digital freedom. All big corporations are doing shit with governments to regulate and control the Internet, just for profits. Consumers and end users are abused, no governments care to preserve our freedom just to preserve the business of these big corporations like Nintendo, Disney, or Apple.
    How to be optimistic for the future?

    Crikeste ,

    “No governments care” is an outright lie. Sure, there’s always more they could do, but the EU is at the forefront of regulating tech. And that’s a big conglomeration of countries and their respective governments.

    mayuraviva ,
    @mayuraviva@shelter.moe avatar

    @Crikeste When it comes to copyright laws, it feels like nothing’s really being done to look out for us, the consumers. Take the EU for example, they’re making YouTube use upload filters with Content ID. And in a lot of places, it’s still against the law to break DRM, even if you’re just making private copies. Honestly, I’m not so sure we can rely on governments to stand up to big corporations on our behalf.
    All intellectual property laws should be reworked, but nothing will happen.

    Gabu ,

    I’m not so sure we can rely on governments to stand up to big corporations on our behalf.

    We can, but a lot more flags need to feature a hammer and sickle for that.

    Crikeste ,

    This, I think, is a problem that is caused by tech illiteracy in governments. I mean shit, even I barely understand the things you brought up, and I’m a millennial. The boomers (mostly) that run governments DEFINITELY don’t understand those things. At least, at the level someone like you may. And that’s a problem that needs to be solved, because ignorant people are easily taken advantage of.

    I still believe my point stands, but I absolutely agree with you.

    blindsight , (edited )

    The Liberal government in Canada just announced “The Online Harms Act”, and a leading Canadian legal scholar/lawyer and information privacy advocate, Michael Geist, says that it’s actually good legislation (for the most part).

    So, there’s movement in the right direction in other jurisdictions, too.

    (Then again, our Senate is currently working on a bill to require age verification for porn, which we all know won’t work and is a massive potential privacy quagmire.)

    Edit: lol, autocorrect “Lobster” instead of “Liberal”.

    Crikeste , (edited )

    Bro, as a person living in a state that has imposed age verification for porn, it doesn’t work. At fucking ALL. Lmao

    Either websites don’t give a fuck (xvideos.com) or they have outright removed themselves from the state (pornhub.com and all it’s sisters).

    Not to mention that Twitter is practically a porn browser now.

    mindbleach ,

    console manufacturers might start slapping DRM into their consoles

    … start?

    nialv7 ,

    Well switch already have DRM. Except circumventing DRM for archiving purpose is totally legal. This lawsuit is groundless.

    bassomitron ,

    Circumventing DRM for archiving is not totally legal in all circumstances: reddit.com/…/us_copyright_office_gives_the_okay_t…

    I know, it’s a reddit link, but OP does a good job summarizing and providing sources.

    Anyway, videogames are specifically called out. Essentially, if you’re circumventing DRM for emulation for games that are still current and actively supported by their publishers/devs, it is not legal. However, if you’re circumventing DRM to repair/troubleshoot/diagnose your console, that’s kosher (whole right-to-repair stance). So it isn’t completely black and white. Yuzu devs will have a tough case ahead of them depending on what all evidence Nintendo has gathered.

    nialv7 ,

    Yeah, you are right and I was somewhat misinformed.

    That been said, yuzu isn’t the one doing circumventing is it? It doesn’t provide tools for dumping games or anything. It’s just an emulator.

    bassomitron ,

    Correct, but we don’t know what all has taken place over the years regarding Discord chats, forum posts, etc. where one of the devs might have accidentally incriminated themselves/the project. That’s what I meant by it depends what kind of evidence Nintendo has gathered. I’m assuming there’s a reason Nintendo waited as long as they have to go after them, seeing as Yuzu has been quite famous for a long time and it seems as of they’re not also going after Ryujinx (or maybe they’re not just yet?).

    Draconic_NEO ,

    console manufacturers might start slapping DRM into their consoles

    You been living under a rock bud? That’s literally the idea of a game console, it’s ultimately what separates console gaming from PC gaming.

    now sure, this is a piracy sub, but i’m not sure if the yuzu devs are keen into piracy…

    They literally sabotage their emulator so it can’t play certain games in case of leaks, they’re well past that point.

    i also wonder if there’s any way to fight back. people who dump their legal copies are being screwed as well.

    Could develop the emulators from a country that doesn’t respect intellectual property rights, it works well enough for Empress, obviously it would absolutely not work out for her if she tried to do what she does in America.

    wombat ,

    nintendrones are the most brainwashed corporate bootlickers I’ve ever encountered

    Wilzax ,

    Time to clone the repo and start seeding it

    jadedwench ,

    I started 30 minute backups earlier. It updates from the yuzu repo and downloads all of the releases from yuzu-mainline if there are new ones. Anything else I should also backup?

    I wouldn’t have a clue where to put this stuff on the interwebs, but if shit happens, I will be 1 of many backups I guess.

    Retrograde ,
    @Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ll hold on to those files for safekeeping for you :)

    aniki ,

    Forked and cloned locally.

    veniasilente ,

    Nintendon’t: sues for “facilitating piracy”

    Also Nintendon’t: facilitates piracy by restricting access to games people want to play

    Also Nintendon’t: facilitates piracy by pointing people to Yuzu

    Also Nintendon’t: facilitates piracy by hinting that “free” access to games might be at risk

    Also Nintendon’t:

    rosemash ,

    1 step forward, 4 steps back!

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