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medium_adult_son ,

Men would literally rather maintain a seed ratio for private trackers and operate a seedbox than pay for movies.

bigboopballs ,

good

QualifiedKitten ,

TIL that I'm a man.

lightnsfw ,

If I could pay a fair price for the product I’m getting off torrents (no drm media files I can use on any device I want) I’d consider it. I buy books off humble bundle like all the time.

prime_number_314159 ,

“You wouldn’t put on a tricorn hat, would you?”

I actually would, if I could find a nice one…

“…and leave your job to sail the seas?”

… That’s an option? I didn’t even consider-

“And you certainly wouldn’t drink rum, and fire cannons, and carry a saber and tell silly parrot related puns.”

buys a tricorn hat

Jyek ,

Steals a tricorn hat

FTFY

NoSpiritAnimal ,
@NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world avatar

Downloads a Tricorner hat

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

You wouldn’t!

WeirdGoesPro ,
@WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The gentleman pirate!

MonkderZweite ,

It poses a significant challenge to creative economies worldwide, costing industries billions annually.

Other studies found, that piracy actually increases sales, offsetting the (always oversestimated) loss of revenue.

So, no, that’s a lie.

jkrtn ,

The real challenge to creative economies are the billionaires sucking all the profit from album sales or deleting television shows from the face of the earth for a tax writeoff.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Maury-Lie-Detector.jpg

blindsight , (edited )

Agreed. I copied that exact quote to see if someone called it out already. Also this one:

educational messages tend to try and educate the consumer on the moral and economic damage of piracy.

Citation fucking needed.

As an anecdotal example, I pay for Netflix, Spotify, Prime, and Kindle Unlimited (and CBC Gem partly through taxes), I regularly buy videogames and ebooks (and pay for a library with taxes), and I buy phone apps. I’m paying as much as I comfortably can for media in various forms.

I also pirate TV/film content, books, games, apps, operating systems, etc. A lot.

But about half the TV/film piracy is content I have already paid to get streaming access to simply because it’s easier to pirate than figure out which service it’s on, and the other half is mostly freely available on YouTube at garbage quality.

The content industry, net everything, is getting all the cash out of me that they ever will. Piracy has 0 net effect on my media spending; I’d just consume different content, content at a lower quality, spend more time on Where To Stream, and get books from the library a bit more often.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

you wouldn’t go to the toilet in a policeman’s helmet

MajorHavoc ,

“You wouldn’t mail it to his grieving widow?!”

pivot_root ,

You wouldn’t then steal it again!

AFC1886VCC ,

Downloading films is stealing. If you do it you WILL face the consequences!

TankovayaDiviziya , (edited )

You mean to tell me, people have “you can’t tell me what to do” attitude, especially among men?

I only torrent if the show or movie I want to watch is unavailable on Netflix, and I don’t want to pay for subscription to another streaming service if such shows are available in those. I’m not made of money.

jkrtn ,

So peculiar how it was easy to attract customers by having a single streaming service with plenty of content, a sane price, and no ads; and yet it is difficult to attract customers by having dozens of services with minimal content, inflating subscriptions, and also ads. Why are customers so hard to understand?

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Netflix would have loved to have kept everything on their platform, but once they proved it was profitable, everyone yanked their stuff off and made their own streaming services. Of course, Netflix has shown that it would have become enshittified regardless.

Aggravationstation ,

We had an ad that actually said “piracy funds terrorism” here in the UK. Made me laugh my arse off.

Haha ,

This is a return to office movement all over again hahaha

shneancy ,

I’m curious now, what was the justification for that claim?

AFC1886VCC ,

There was none. The full quote from the ad is “Piracy funds terrorism, and will destroy our development and your future enjoyment”. Whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean. Which terrorists are we funding?

Either way, those anti-piracy ads are stupidly hilarious.

kungen ,

Buying pirated DVDs is one example I assume?

nutsack ,

i remember when valve’s steam completely killed nearly all video game piracy just by existing

isles ,

To the point where a lot of gamers have paid for more games than they’d ever have time to play.

Sebastrion ,

Hey… I only have 600 Steam Games and i don’t remember half of them… But don’t worry, I will play them, after Dragons Dogma 2 and the Elden Ring DLC of course.

lightnsfw ,

After I’m finished doing the same shit over and over again for another 7-800 hours in warframe I’m sure I’ll get around to playing some of the games I actually paid money for.

bigfoot ,
@bigfoot@lemm.ee avatar

This is the truth man, I will even buy games on Steam that I’ve pirated in the past with no intention of playing them again. We all largely stopped pirating movies and TV for almost a decade when the streaming experience was superior.

If there was a steam like service for movies and tv and music that worked on all my platforms I would pay for it just like I paid for a home server running the *arrs.

Toribor ,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

There was a golden age of Netflix where I basically stopped pirating movies and TV too.

Now streaming is a fragmented ad-ridden nightmare and I pirate more than ever before. It’s not like it’s free either, I pay for a VPN, disk storage, let alone the time and maintenance.

If I could buy (and actually own) high quality digital copies of movies/tv with no bullshit at a reasonable price that would be a serious value proposition that would beat out the hassles that come along with piracy.

noyou ,

Fully agree. Why is renting a movie the same cost as a month of some random subscription service? Then you also get a copy you can only watch for like 24 hours. If you “buy” you still dont get access to the file, just some digital copy that can be taken away at any point.

Silentiea , (edited )

I mean I always knew digital renting was kind of a lame idea, but I didn’t put together how monumentally bad it is until you said that…

Specal ,

Imagine if steam sold movies and TV shows

joe_cool ,

They did that 10 years ago. Right around the time they added the video stuff. Didn’t work out. rockpapershotgun.com/steam-stepping-back-from-sel…

Around 50 are still available if you know how to look for them: store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Released_D…

Watch Kung Fury if you want to test it. I loved the cheese: store.steampowered.com/app/374570/Kung_Fury/

Toribor ,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

I don’t think Steam’s business model works well for Movies/TV. Besides delivering the game files after your initial purchase Steam also continues to host and deliver update files for games over time, as well as lots of extras like syncing game saves, the workshop for mods, etc. I like having a centralized service that offers these features and acts a launcher for games because it’s very convenient. These features are a huge value add that makes the service very attractive over piracy.

But for Movies/TV the main thing I want is the ability to watch the content, at a high quality, on whatever device I want, whenever I want to watch it. Theoretically this shouldn’t be to hard, but with the way all the rights work it’s effectively impossible for any streaming service to offer this. Content gets removed all the time, it’s spread across a ton of different services that all offer a different experience. In a vain attempt to thwart pirates it’s a pain in the ass to watch content offline so it’s unreliable at best.

The only way to get the experience I want with Movies/TV is to pirate the content.

Evotech ,

And Spotify pretty much killed music piracy . Although you could argue they just changed who did the robbing

XiELEd ,
@XiELEd@lemmy.world avatar

I think people still pirate music by downloading them off of youtube

Randelung ,

“Oh, that’s an option?”

badbrainstorm ,
@badbrainstorm@lemmy.today avatar

I remember the commercials “Piracy is not a victimless crime” pissed me off so hard, and drove me to download much more than I otherwise would have

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

Well) these poor shareholder’s and CEO’s money pockets sure have suffered

MrVilliam ,

Won’t somebody think of the shareholders?!

dangblingus ,

Piracy is a service issue. Give people the option to stream all of their media with an option to download for the nerds, and sell it at a reasonable price, you will hurt piracy. Splintering all media up into a thousand streaming services and implementing black box licensing agreements is what pushes people to piracy.

anzo ,

Also, the number of seeds are a good measure for popularity of media that one might not had in their radar at all. Meanwhile, platforms try to push all sort of content only because they produced it, recommendation algorithms are needed (and insufficient), because there a huge load of crap being produced at such a high rate…

Outtatime ,
@Outtatime@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’ve always said, if you can’t sell me something based on interest and quality entertainment, then I’m pirating it, because I never would have bought it anyways.

Allero ,

The conclusion doesn’t follow the study.

Threatening messages decrease piracy by women by over 50%, while increasing piracy by men by 18%.

So, unless there are three times as many male pirates as female, those messages are effective at reducing piracy.

Sir_Kevin ,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I would suspect there are many times more male pirates than female.

critical ,

Why?

tryptaminev ,

Result of gender stereotypes affecting the behaviour of female and male children, so male children grow up to be more encouraged to learn about technology and engage in risk taking behaviour.

Also inclination to risk taking behaviour is much higher in biological men than biological women, which would also give a potential reason why this advertisment works on women but not on men.

As always these attributions only represent the average of the women and men populations as a whole. Ofc. there is risk averse men and tech savvy women.

Silentiea ,

The word cis or cisgender is right there my friend. Trans people are still biological, after all.

amzd ,

Because of the technical skill required for pirating and the tech industry being mostly men currently.

Nouveau_Burnswick ,

My wife set up an ARR stack, because she didn’t like downloading individual episodes. It’s not that hard.

TheGalacticVoid ,

The point is that your wife is in the minority. The vast majority of people wouldn’t consider torrenting, let alone *arrs. People with a greater willingness to tinker and learn technical stuff are the ones who’ll consider it, and that group is overwhelmingly composed of men as of right now.

Nouveau_Burnswick ,

I’m seeing 3:1 male female from this source, but I figure data collection on torrent users is tricky: marketsplash.com/torrent-statistics/

TheGalacticVoid ,

Anecdotally, that makes sense. If you were to look at piracy overall, however, I wouldn’t be surprised if that ratio was closer to 50/50.

conciselyverbose ,

If I put the over/under at 10x male pirate to female, are you taking the under?

Nouveau_Burnswick ,

46% of pirates in the UK were women in 2018.

Aggravationstation ,

Based on what data?

Nouveau_Burnswick ,

University of Amsterdam Institute for Information Law, indirectly sourced from here: dataprot.net/statistics/piracy-statistics/

ShepherdPie ,

I guess we’ll just have to take their word for it since they don’t actually link to anything or provide the data. In fact, that whole statement doesn’t even appear to be attributed to the University of Amsterdam. It appears the preceding statement about 25-34 year olds pirating is what’s attributed to the university.

Nouveau_Burnswick ,

Bittorrent is also only a portion of pirating, but that’s showing 3:1 globally, marketsplash.com/torrent-statistics/

ShepherdPie ,

Complete garbage website. Tons of conflicting info, suppositions, and when you bother to look at the sources, their claims quickly fall apart. For example,

In 2022, pirate website visits hit a record of 215 billion.9

-9. “Average Teenager’s iPod Has 800 Illegal Music Tracks” by The Times - written June 2008

Nouveau_Burnswick ,

I agree, but I haven’t been able to find a lot of good studies past about 2005; and a lot has changed since then.

D61 ,

Don’t have time to read the research paper linked by the article at the moment…

But isn’t the research just looking at how people view the message and not “were you pirating stuff and now you’re not?”

ShepherdPie ,

So, unless there are three times as many male pirates as female, those messages are effective at reducing piracy.

That would not surprise me at all.

Viking_Hippie , (edited )

I have just the song for this effect

femboy_bird ,

Thanks, i needed this 🙏

Viking_Hippie ,

You’re very welcome 🙂

hperrin ,

I would gladly pay good money to just download an MP4, but they have never given me that option.

femboy_bird ,

Hello, yes i would like to buy high res music files, please show me a store that has a large catalog that I can choose from. Oh there are non?

I guess I’ll have to look else where

Scrath ,

There’s qobuz but they don’t have everything

ours ,

Also Bandcamp.

femboy_bird ,

Bot they also don’t have a lot (i buy from both those sites btw)

lemmingrad ,

gnutella

d4f0 ,

Qobuz has a lot of DRM-free high-res music.

femboy_bird ,

Oh thanks i haven’t heard of that store I’ll check em out

Outtatime ,
@Outtatime@sh.itjust.works avatar

The media corps have people hooked on non downloadable streaming services. Today’s youth don’t know what an mp3 or a flac file is. Hell, a lot of them have never owned a CD. They’re buying vinyl records (lol) and don’t even own a vinyl record player.

dsemy ,

You could use streamrip to download high quality FLACs from Tidal and Qobuz if you have a subscription.

bitwolf ,

Qobuz and Bandcamp have almost everything

femboy_bird ,

I’ve been using bandcamp mostly for the indie artists i listen to, seems like Qobuz has a pretty decent selection of more mainstream artists

RGB ,
@RGB@group.lt avatar

Bandcamp now is most user friendly, but even the creators cheat by deleting their 1$ offerings, and Yes I hate bundles of 600 albums for a price of 1$

Haha ,

I liked beatport

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Like GOG, but for movies. GOM?

rainynight65 ,

No shit. How have they not figured this out 15 years ago when every DVD had non-skippable anti-piracy messages?

Nouveau_Burnswick ,

I thought it was sorted 35 years ago when they put the FBI warnings on VCR tapes.

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