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hal_5700X ,

Paying $700 for a locked system is crazy.

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

It also costs $468.68 over 7 years with the 12 month plan.

So it’s really $1168.68.

burgersc12 ,

I got a great PC for that price!

Squizzy ,

Can you expand on this, how is a 12 month pkan running for 7 years?

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

The average console generation runs for 7-8 years

conciselyverbose ,

He’s talking about PS plus.

The “12 month plan” is meaningfully less expensive than a year of paying monthly, so he’s using the cheapest option if you want to play online games (excluding sales, at least).

Mwa , (edited )

Yeah that runs a modified version of freebsd then sony locks and closed source it And if you want to play online you need to pay

ILikeBoobies ,

Just install Linux

givesomefucks ,

Modern consoles with digital games already blur the lines on console generations, but like, very few games are even using the PS5 to max.

PC you can decide your own “generation”, and if you upgrade your PC, you don’t have to buy remakes, you just turn the settings up.

Between that and locking yourself to one entity to buy games from, there’s a lot of downsides to consoles and not many upsides left.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

very few games are even using the PS5 to max

That’s because they don’t allow you to. Not because they can’t.

Squizzy ,

Sony wont allow it? I just thought the selection was shit

minyakcurry ,

I was always a fan of consoles, everything is packaged nicely and you only had to worry about buying the game itself.

Eventually I ran into the problem where Sony prevented me from starting a DLC I bought and downloaded simply because the base game is validated for a different region. Umm I’m sorry I live in a different country now?? Couldn’t get their AI chatbot to help with refunds either (but honestly shouldn’t they prevent purchasing in the first place…)

Bit the bullet and built a PC instead. Fuck Sony.

Sundial , (edited )

Maybe I’m too Canadian to understand but where on earth are you able to build a decent gaming PC able to play the latest AAA games on high graphics for $700?

No really, please tell me. I want to upgrade my PC.

Edit: For everyone trying to explain it to me.

  1. There’s more to a PC than a CPU and GPU. Those of you giving me only those 2 that make up more than half of the $700 are kind of reinforcing my point.
  2. The key thing here is running AAA games on high settings using this budget. You can’t really do that.
proper ,
@proper@lemmy.world avatar

I think this article is sensationalizing the situation a bit. It could be $700 (if you already have a case, hdds, psu, and cooling on hand.)

But really comes down to your desired resolution and frame rate. I know plenty of people who are fine with 1080p and 60fps.

1440, 2160 120 is another story. The higher end gpu would likely require a slightly higher tier PSU and more efficient cooling which could add a few bucks to the GPU and CPU investment.

I recommend checking out PC part picker to see what your ideal components would shake out to.

Pistcow ,

I mean you can build a 2k gaming PC for under $700. I think the only games on PS5 that’ll be running at 120fps will be the anything shooters that’ll run at 250fps on a toaster.

Random “$700 PCPP” search. pcpartpicker.com/list/8PmJZJ

proper ,
@proper@lemmy.world avatar

It’s something. B450M is about as low as you can go, and not sure i’d go with ddr4 or WD green for storage, but it would definitely be a PC.

romano ,
@romano@lemmy.shtuf.eu avatar

PS5 Pro is going for 800 EUR so I’ve picked these parts: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BnpTsh, and it’s almost spot on how much it costs after converting it into USD. (800 EUR = 881.83 USD)

Pistcow ,

Its an an old link that poped up. As long as it has access to all channels boards aren’t a big deal in the equation. Storage is cheap and any usuable 1tb will do.

proper ,
@proper@lemmy.world avatar

but we’re talking comparable to ps5 pro

Rai ,

We’ll have it see it in action to really compare. This computer will demolish existing consoles, playing most games at 1440p above 90FPS. Games that on the PS4 or Xbox are limited to 60 or even 30. The question really is, how many games will even let you run them higher than 60FPS on the pro? On the PS5 it was supposed to be “many”

But it is not many.

RxBrad ,
@RxBrad@infosec.pub avatar

The PS5 Pro is a decent value compared to a PC. It’s just not an amazing value like the original PS5 was in 2020.

Take PCPP’s Entry Level AMD Gaming Build. Upgrade it to a 2TB NVME and a RX 6800 GPU. That’s $830. ⁨ pcpartpicker.com/…/entry-level-amd-gaming-build⁩

That’s pretty similar specs to the PS5 Pro (with a better Zen 3 CPU, but minus a gamepad).

saigot , (edited )

(if you already have a case, hdds, psu, and cooling on hand.)

You can also get all of those except the hdds for quite literally 0 dollars, although depending on electricity prices and what upgrading you want to do it might be better long term to spend on the psu.

proper ,
@proper@lemmy.world avatar

care to share your source for free PC parts?

saigot , (edited )

Facebook market place unfortunately. Or just walking around on garbage day.

Here’s a case + 500w psu I picked up the other day: https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/9e9f167b-c09c-4e84-9057-6c99f08fb601.jpeg

proper ,
@proper@lemmy.world avatar

“we have ps5 pro at home”

  • ps5 pro at home.
Dudewitbow ,

the PS5 pro uses 60 CU rdna 4, so if you want to match that, buy the supposedly rumored 8800XT that amd is trying to pump more of as they forgoe top end end generation supposedly (basically similar to the RX 480 and RX 5700xt generations)

keep in mind, console and pc sales and cost differ because of where they focus on making money. Sony for example makes money off accessory sales (the ps5 pro is disk driveless and no vertical stand) ontop of never adressing the rampant stick drift problem the dualsense has, ontop of paid online, none of which is any signicant factor on PC, which generally speaking is more front loaded cost heavy but overtime has lower cost in games, services and such.

CaptDust ,

RX 6600 with a Ryzen 5 5500 should get you close enough with FSR.

Hector ,

You could probably build something decent for CAD$1000. Canada computers often have massive discounts on a lot of items. US$700 to CAD$1000 is not that far apart. The console would probably still be more performant but the point is, the prices are not that far apart anymore.

DaGeek247 ,
@DaGeek247@fedia.io avatar

You won't be able to do ultra, but you can do high at 1080p30fps in most every modern game pretty easily for that price. 1080p 60fps for a solid chunk of them too.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MzFVh3

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A6coMhaOw0Q

Your point still stands though; you're still better off spending 1000$ so that you don't end up shooting yourself in the foot with regards to upgradeability, which is one of the big reasons people want a PC in the first place.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

That’s still better than consoles can run most native games too lul. People always use the argument that consoles ‘just work’ at max graphics as a selling point when it’s rarely the case. Almost every new game has issues on release that need to be fixed and even after some never run at max.

morbidcactus ,

With exchange it’s closer to $950 cad, best bang for your buck is probably used. Quick glance at kijiji and I saw some 3070tis for sub $400, heck if you’re fine with slightly older hardware just saw a ryzen 3700x + 2070 super, ram, full system honestly for $650 cad. You’ll probably get quite a bit of mileage out of that CPU, I ran with a 3rd gen i5 for nearly a decade

Zorque ,

There’s more to a PC than a CPU and GPU. Those of you giving me only those 2 that make up more than half of the $700 are kind of reinforcing my point.

Yes, but they do tend to cost the most.

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

The initial buy in for the steam deck is so much cheaper. It has everything you need in a package: oled screen, portable, better sales, mods, repairable and free multiplayer.

Cuttlersan ,

This! Consoles are losing to handhelds like the Steam Deck in terms of capability and price. This keeps up, and we might see more switch over!

cRazi_man ,

I love my Deck.

If you’re interested in higher performance, have a use case for a desktop, are willing to go for used parts you put together yourself; then you could get a really decent performance PC for the price of a Deck.

hoghammertroll ,

Seriously, buying used parts when building a gaming PC is the way to go if you’re looking to save some money. I just snagged a used 6700 XT for $220 (~400 new) and a used 3070 earlier this year for $300 (~500 new) on ebay, and better deals could be had if you’re willing to be patient and hunt for a good deal.

There are benefits to buying new (such as warranty), but you can save some serious cheddar if you shop smart.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You could also buy cheaper ‘lesser’ parts if you’re not interested in playing the top of the top new games. I basically only play league, ff14 and indie games. My 12 year old laptop can run everything I play still with no problem (I know cause I take it to my girlfriend when I stay over), granted I do have a pretty nice pc now a days.

hoghammertroll , (edited )

You could also buy cheaper ‘lesser’ parts if you’re not interested in playing the top of the top new games.

This is a great point as well. I’m not huge into gaming myself, with the 3070 being mostly a move to futureproof my build for what few games I do play/may want to play. I actually use it more for transcoding my media collection and AI upscaling some of the older stuff that isn’t available anywhere in higher quality than 480p. But for gaming, this thing will probably get me by for another 7-10 years.

My 12 year old laptop can run everything I play still with no problem

That’s exactly why I don’t understand the general pushback against the idea of “future-proofing” builds in the PC gaming community.

Like, I get it - even the best computer today isn’t going to run the latest and greatest triple-A titles at 8K (or whatever the new gold standard resolution of tomorrow will be) on ultra settings at 240fps in 5-10 years from now. I also understand that it isn’t wise to drop thousands on today’s top of the line hardware under the premise that it’ll be the last system you’ll ever need.

But unless there’s some major breakthrough in tech that completely obsoletes today’s hardware into oblivion and upends the market to designing everything for way more powerful/different computers (which granted, is technically possible), or your goal is to run the latest and greatest at the best settings at ridiculously high frame rates and resolutions all the time, then a computer built with decent gear today is still gonna run decent for years to come. And you can typically piecemeal upgrades if necessary, at least with desktops, especially if you’re starting with ‘lesser’ components.

I’ve been sitting on a new build (7800X3D/6700XT/32gb ram) for a few months now that’s set to replace my current HTPC, but I haven’t gotten around to putting it together because I’ve been working on some software to 1-click export all my software settings (win debloat + all program settings that I’ve manually configured over the years) so I can do a fresh install of Windows instead of just cloning the boot drive like the last time. Plus I’m lazy/distracted/busy with other shit.

But the HTPC that it’s replacing? A 10-year old Optiplex 9020 with a 4th-gen Intel CPU + GTX 1650 and 16gb of ram. Runs well enough for what my family plays that it hasn’t required this upgrade to be urgent (thankfully), and that’s with my kids using it as (one of) their main gaming machines. If we were more hardcore into gaming, or just snobbish about graphics settings and framerates, then maybe the upgrade would be more of a necessity at an earlier point, but saying “there’s no such thing as futureproofing a PC” is just the flip side of “spend a small fortune and you’ll never have to upgrade again!!!1”.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Remember when everyone though the PS3 was insane at 599 US dollars?

https://static0.gamerantimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/599-1280x720-Cropped.png

hoghammertroll ,

For context, $599 in 2006 dollars equals $911.41 in 2024

darkdemize ,
@darkdemize@sh.itjust.works avatar

I bought one of those 60GB original PS3s back in 06. That was also the last game console I purchased for myself. Made the switch to PC not long after that.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Yeah, aside from the switch, the 360 and PS3 were the last consoles I’ve bought.

datavoid ,

That is insane

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I remember when they announced the first PlayStation right after Sega announced the Saturn was going to be $500 and the Sony dude just came out and said “299” and then bounced.

cyberpunk007 ,

You can’t even get probably the equivalent graphics card in there for less than $700. I still think PCs are more expensive.

marlowe221 ,

I’m just going to hang out over here with my (modded) PC games from the early 2000s that I love so much…

Modern AAA gaming is not for me.

forgotaboutlaye ,

I enjoy a AAA now and then but console prices are definitely not for me.

tilefan ,
@tilefan@lemm.ee avatar

I’ve been looking for an excuse to switch to pc.

hand ,
@hand@lemmy.studio avatar

https://lemmy.studio/pictrs/image/1850c126-8e6d-46d4-a8a5-125a8c654aeb.gif

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

But friendly reminder: games are almost always cheaper on PC. Maybe not at first, but very quickly.

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