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Vincente ,

I am playing turtle wow—a private server game.

It’s mostly like the vanilla wow, but has some optimized updates.

Blaze OP ,

I played a bit over there a while ago, how is it going now?

Jomn ,
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I still play Old School RuneScape and Guild Wars 2, and they are both very active.

However, I’ve not tried a new MMORPG in ages. I don’t even really know if any relatively new ones could be interesting to try out.

tiredofsametab ,

I just don't have time. RPGs are still my favorite genre, and I used to even work in the MMORPG space. I have a fulltime job, a house I just bought and have to upkeep (I was renting until now), and farming. On top of that, spending time with the wife and all of the regular shopping and chores still exist. Further still, I try to always be learning something for fun, but I haven't even really had time to do that. The most entertainment I have these days is listening to podcasts and youtube vids whilst working outside.

Daxtron2 ,

I don’t think they’re dead. They were wildly popular in the earlier days of the internet when it was still a relatively small place. Now there’s more people playing games than ever before. And a much lower proportion playing MMOs

Mac ,

WoW is still massive btw and the latest xpac seems to be a success so far.

WoW

Blaze OP ,

Interesting, thanks!

ngwoo ,

Dead? WoW, FFXIV, RuneScape, ESO, have millions of players. What world do you live in that these games are dead?

Blaze OP ,

Do you see the latest WoW expansion discussed anywhere on Lemmy?

I only look at !wow, which has a 3 comments on a 4 days post, maybe I’m missing something?

hydroxycotton ,

I think you’re missing that lemmy is a pretty tiny slice of the internet and niche(ish) communities either don’t exist or are mostly inactive. Just because something doesn’t seem to be making waves on lemmy, doesn’t mean it isn’t popular. The community for it just isn’t really here (yet).

inb4_FoundTheVegan ,
@inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

Star wars the old republic is pretty great, not perfect but super solid story, essentially just Kotor 3. I played it reguarly for last few months and truly enjoyed it like how I used to enjoy WoW back in the day. I know certain fans are going come at me with knives for saying this, but imp, it has much better story content than FF14.

Fester ,

Do you know if people still play galactic starfighter (GSF) in SWTOR? Or if it’s gotten any updates? It became my favorite thing to do in game, but it wasn’t very popular, and last time I tried I sat in queue for a while before giving up. (I liked Squadrons but that also tapered off quickly.)

The rest of the game is great too. I treat it like FFXIV - play every now and then to catch up on the story, though it’s been a while since I’ve played SWTOR. I don’t know if I agree the story content is better than FFXIV (after ARR at least - especially Shadowbringers and Endwalker), but I can see why some people would like it more. It’s consistently good from start to finish. Anyone who likes Star Wars and gaming is missing out on a huge variety of stories and fun if they don’t play it.

Anyway, might need to give it a go again.

Tellore ,

By MMO you mean MMORPG specifically? Because MMO in general is the most popular type of games imo… League of Legends, Dota, Fortnite, Valorant, Overwatch - all are super popular. Regarding MMORPG, I see a lot of youngsters play Genshin. I’ve personally been playing a classless WoW pserver lately.

CancerMancer ,

How the hell are League of Legends or Valorant considered MMOs? Are Rocket League or Team Fortress 2 MMOs? Is Battlefield 5 an MMO now?

The expansion of this term to include 5v5 games is never not going to piss me off.

Tellore ,

I always considered “MMO” as a synonym for “multiplayer”. Anyway, if you take the word “massively” into account, you could also treat is as “massive number of players you could POTENTIALLY reach by joining one of the rooms” (word “potentially” as opposed to “actually reaching at any given moment”). In actual MMORPGs it’s not like you can actually interact with all the people online at the same time, you still are limited by geometry and game logic of the world at least, like no one will ever gather in a single town because people are doing other stuff, or are from enemy factions, etc. And in many MMORPGs there is instancing going on, so even players in mob farming locations can be assigned to different instances and not see each other because of reasons.

Blaze OP ,

MMORPG indeed!

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t think most folks have cared about WoW for quite a while now. Those that do are mostly playing on private servers.

FFXIV has picked up all the old wow-heads and is highly active and fun to play.

Ashtear ,

I haven’t seen a lot of chatter around live-service games in Patient Gamers communities in general over the years, but from what I can tell, very little of the Warcraft community made it over to Lemmy. I can think of a couple possible explanations for that.

First, because everyone uses Discord for voice chat over WoW anyway, with the Reddit exodus last year, Discord was always a more natural fit for discussion. Second, /r/wow has increasingly become a place for discussion around the game among former players, especially after Shadowlands. Seeking out a new space on Lemmy and actually participating in the necessary, proactive contributions to grow a community requires more enthusiasm than I think the jaded players have.

It certainly feels like there are fewer MMO players, but I’m not sure. I think we can be certain that younger players are being captured by different forms of live-service games though (shooters, various gacha) rather than traditional MMOs.

Blaze OP ,

Thank you, makes sense!

stargazingpenguin ,

I generally just don’t play a lot of online games anymore. I have a job where I have to deal with people all day, so the last thing I want to do is go home and deal with angry people while I’m trying to relax!

I do play some Elder Scrolls Online and Star Trek Online, but I primarily do single player content. The normal extent of my interaction with human players is to help them if they need help, or to thank them if they help me.

finestnothing ,

The next war in foxhole starts today, it’s a war MMO and I highly recommend it. No subscription (one time $30 purchase on steam), no microtransactions, no paid expansions, no cosmetic bs, grind is optional. New players are in the same spot as veterans, all resources are shared (regiments/people can have private stockpiles, but they decay after 48 hours of being inactive) and are all made by players. You don’t get anything for making or transporting supplies except for the joy of supporting the war effort - which is good because if no one made supplies, no one could fight.

Want to chill? Mine scrap and make basic materials, throw in your nearest seaport for anyone to take (or put in your regiments stockpile if you’re in one). Or transport supplies from far backline stockpiles to Frontline/closer via truck, train, or boat. Or drive supplies to the Frontline, just make sure you have a gas mask and radio! Or make bullets, medical supplies, or anything else in the game at factories. Or trucks, cars, boats, tanks, trains, etc.

Want to plan? Either start building up production centers at the start of the war, rebuild them as we take land, or build defenses in the backline or on the front.

Want to fight? Get on a ship crew in an artillery gun and listen to your captain to tell you when and where to fire. Get in a tank with a crew and go balls to the wall on the front line. Grab a gun and some supplies and charge into trench warfare. Mortars? Yep. RPG’s? Yep. Want to be a doctor? Move with friendlies and fix them up when they get messed up, or carry them back to your hospital to get new supplies for people to spawn from.

Want to be sneaky? Sneak past the Frontline and sabotage their logistics people or buildings.

Want to be a gigachad? Join the wardens now.

stargazingpenguin ,

I keep looking at Foxhole, but I’ve never tried it yet. Is the non combat segment of the game pretty chill overall? I’m not really a big fan of competitive MMOs, but the behind the scenes aspect does interest me. I hear about a decent amount of positivity in the playerbase, but I’ve definitely heard negativity about the recent state of the game.

finestnothing ,

Yep it’s still chill. The war just started so I’ve spent the past 2 hours driving materials from my regiments stockpiles to the Frontline, eventually partisans (enemies behind the Frontline) took out my truck so I flagged the location, next time I drove through they were all gone and I kept delivering supplies. Even if you mess something up in logistics, no one is going to get mad at you. It’s competitive in that each team hates each other, but largely unless you start trolling or team killing people are positive.

If you do end up getting it I can help ya get started learning stuff if you need

stargazingpenguin ,

Okay, thanks for the information! I appreciate the offer, I’ll have to keep that in mind if I decide to get it. I think the logistics end of the game could be a lot of fun.

CancerMancer ,

I used to be a heavy industrial player in EVE Online and Foxhole fills the hole, surprisingly. Each faction has at least one group whose sole purpose is logistics, and they’re both decent.

stargazingpenguin ,

I had been talking with someone else on here about trying EVE in that playstyle a while back! I never tried it, but it always sounded interesting. Logistics sounds like it could be an interesting thing to try in Foxhole, I may need to give it a go.

anothercatgirl ,

I played Planetside 2 a few months ago it was good!

EonNShadow ,

Old School RuneScape is alive and well, we got a new boss yesterday, and we’ve been getting drip-fed content all year this year.

Paradachshund ,

Guild wars 2 just released a new expac and I’ve been really enjoying it. Lots of people online, so I’d say not dead at all.

Blaze OP ,

Nice, I didn’t know!

Gerudo ,

I was just about to say. My friends wanted something to just mess around in, and I had no idea it was still as popular as it is.

Paradachshund ,

Gw2 is like the sleeper MMO that no one talks about but everyone still plays. I think the lack of subscription and never raising level cap does that to it. It’s a very welcoming game to pick up and put down as time allows.

Gerudo ,

I was an og GW player. I hadnt played GW in like 15-20 years? I came into GW2 just 2 months ago and was overwhelmed at first with everything an old mmo adds over the years. I finally found the play groove and we are all enjoying it, even the ones still playing WoW. So much so I might grab the living story addons.

Paradachshund ,

They’re a lot of fun actually. Especially if you like open world exploration. They add a lot of very cool maps.

Daze ,

Is it still approachable if you’re someone who hasn’t played since before there were expansions for gw2? Asking for a … friend.

Paradachshund ,

I’m probably not the best judge cause I’ve been playing semi regularly since launch, but I’d guess it’s a really good time actually.

Long story short they’ve recently changed to a yearly expansion model with smaller scale expansions that tell more contained stories. The first one was pretty rocky, not gonna lie, but this new one is really good so far.

If you’re someone who wants to go through the entire story and catch up you’ve got a very long road ahead of you (up to you whether that sounds good or not), but if you wanted to get back in quickly the new expansion is a totally reasonable starting point I’d say. You won’t get a lot of the references, but I think you’d still get plenty of enjoyment being dumped in. I’m guessing it would feel like picking up a long running book series on book 20–there are lots of references and characters you don’t know, but it’s also doing its best to catch you up as a new reader and not expecting you’ve read it all.

Aside from story stuff, the game has had a bit of a Renaissance lately and there are a lot of new players from what I can tell.

Daze ,

This is EXACTLY what I was wondering about, thanks so much!!!

Good to know they acknowledge that not everyone is interested in the ff14-esque story grind where you have to travel from start through finish. Definitely going to at least check it out. Heard something about where you can do dungeons solo-party? I think that was gw2.

Anyways the book series comparison is perfect 👌

Paradachshund ,

Most of the game is solo-friendly. Some things are very difficult to solo, but if you get really good at the combat system it’s still possible.

Coordinated end game party stuff isn’t my bag so much, so I’m not sure about soloing it. There are a lot of different things you can do with different names that all amount to dungeon/raid style content. The things actually called “dungeons” are all from the original game and are really old at this point. The newer 5 man dungeons are called “Fractals”, and there are also 10 man raids, and 10 man boss only encounters called “Strike Missions” (basically a single raid boss with no dungeon around it).

PoTayToes ,

Heard something about where you can do dungeons solo-party? I think that was gw2.

“Dungeons” as a general term is understood to be “group content”.

In GW2, these are:

  • Dungeons, which you go through with the Core (base game) story, then are available as a max level (don’t worry, you get there fast) content with 3/4 different paths each. They are made so you go through with 5 people. There’s a LFG system which (while ugly,) works and if you don’t find one you can just put up a group yourself with the title “Ascalon Catacombs - Story Mode” or “Caudecus Manor - 1st Path (or P1)”, and it should fill up pretty fast. However, once you have enough mastery over your character, you should be able to solo them. I don’t recommend expecting to be able to solo them easily right off the bat, however.
  • Fractals, which are also 5-men content, and are accessible from max level. Those go in difficulty degrees from 1 to 100, and also have a LFG section dedicated to them. Like Dungeons, you could I guess solo them, however this gets harder the higher level you go, and I honestly consider people who can solo the higher levels as madmen.
  • Strikes are 10-men content, and are shorter (one boss) events, and go from easy to hard content to go through. They are usually considered end-game content already. With 10 people. I suppose some of the easier ones are soloable, but that seems like an absolute slog to me and very un-fun. A few of them have challenge modes for the challenge-addicted.
  • Raids are older content (though they are bringing back a new one in the current expac) which are the highest level of difficulty available of content (though the challenge strikes are harder than some raids, iirc). Those are harder to get into because of the smaller population of dedicated players, you usually need to find a raiding guild to get some training runs in so you can then find a regular roster. I’m honestly not sure how it is nowadays, but my experience with them is limited because I did not enjoy that difficulty level.
  • Group Instances are 50-men content, limited in number but generally accessible in difficulty. You just generally pop up at the entry spot whenever it is time for the public entry, then get randomly assigned to an instance completing it (although you can find specialized squads doing them if you look). Those are not soloable, but you don’t need to speak with anyone as people generally know what they have to do and manage to get through.
  • I guess World Bosses count also? Those are open world, so just be there a bit before the event starts and you’ll have enough people waiting to do them on the map, so while again they are not “solo”, you don’t actually need to talk to anyone to get your fill of content.
sasquash ,

And they are even working on GW3. I really liked GW2 but I am not sure if it’s worth coming back after years. But my hopes are up for the new one.

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