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31337 ,

I’ve seen these arguments gaining prominence on the last few years. I don’t think they care about Mozarts or Einsteins though. If they did, they would use their money and push for policies that would improve the conditions people live in, so all the would-be Mozarts would have a chance to actually becoming one. I think they’re worried global capitalism will collapse if population growth slows too much; which is probably true.

I also wonder if these people are funding all the anti-abortion and anti-contraceptive campaigns around the world… After a quick Google search, I see it’s definitely been on Musk’s mind: businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tucker-carlson-sex-…

Slotos ,

We already have thousands of Mozarts rotting in poverty. The fact that these two cunts don’t get it is an evidence for them being entitled, racist, pieces of shit.

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.

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BigMacHole ,

And then they could put those Mozarts to work in their slave shacks while complaining about the lack of Mozarts!

Hello_there ,

I can say stupid shit too. Can I get on yahoo finance?

TetraVega ,

Fuck that, they only say that because more people = more profit

Blackout ,
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They are so dumb, how did they get so rich?

NounsAndWords ,

Exploitation

DarkGamer ,
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I wonder how many Mozarts are living paycheck to paycheck working multiple jobs and don't have time to compose or play because these chucklefucks denied them a living wage by going to war on unions.

Masimatutu OP ,
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Or simply in a third-world country kept in extreme poverty by global capitalism.

distantsounds ,

It’ll be quite a few Mozarts sacrificed because we’re busy funding the thousands of wanna-be Hitlers that were also created.

ReallyKinda ,

Elon and Bezoz think civilization=steadily rising profits and they see that they won’t have enough workers or consumers to enable that if birthrates aren’t also above replacement. Or, as Marx en co. would say, they are running into a classic crisis of capitalism. Profits must grow.

What we should really be considering are plans for economies that aren’t reliant on continuous growth for stability.

NegativeLookBehind ,
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He just wants more people to exploit

knfrmity ,

Instead of billionaires we need to distribute resources equitably and provide education for all. Then we would also have a thousand Mozarts, and a thousand Newtons and a thousand Korolevs and a thousand Pasteurs while we’re at it.

Billionaires are just blocks along the road of civilizational progress and social development.

ArbitraryValue ,

It isn’t very interesting to speculate about a trillion-human future when we’re so close to a post-human future. Plus, Mozart was the product of his genes and his environment; both can be manipulated to create some process with a higher yield of Mozarts than ordinary human reproduction provides.

vexikron , (edited )

These two are delusional.

We are looking at tens to hundreds of millions of people fleeing where they live /this decade/ due to climate change.

The tensions caused by immigrants moving to more developed western countries to escape the many wars going on in Africa and the Middle East, and now in Ukraine and Palestine are just a teeny tiny sampling of this.

Also, it is likely we will hit peak oil this decade. Modern agriculture is reliant on petrochemical fertilizers which will become more expensive as oil does.

Half the world lives in poverty, and America is the most economically unequal society in all of known human history, in terms of income disparity.

There is absolutely no way to get to a trillion humans under our current economic and political paradigms, and no one knows or agrees on a framework that would.

We will be lucky to make it to the end of this century with half the current world population.

We are not going to be colonizing space anytime soon. The economics of building systems that can get enough humans and materiel to make a self sustaining colony on Mars are still many orders of magnitude away from being feasible, and life there would be hellish. Humans growing up on Mars would suffer horribly from the low gravity, even if they lived underground their whole lives to avoid radiation. Terraforming is still a pipe dream.

Building a giant space rotating space cylinder for us all to live in is even more economically, scientifically and sociologically dubious. We cannot even figure out how to ecologically maintain the viability if our own homeworld, a self sustaining gigantic orbiting or interplanetary ship carrying even hundreds of humans is barely even realistically conceivable, to say nothing of what it would take to get to trillions.

To say the things they are saying, they must be literally delusional, as in /should be locked away in mental institutions as dangers to society/.

They should know these basic facts. We already know many wealthy elites are just literally building bunkers to escape the collapse of human civilization, which they have basically caused.

Madness.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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The only way we can have a trillion humans is if we massively colonize the solar system.

Which I think is also a good idea, but we spend too much on our military to do it.

vexikron ,

Let me know when humanity manages to construct a self sustaining interplanetary vessel with artificial gravity that can house 100 people on an ongoing basis.

A ballpark estimate for that most basic of first steps would be costing something like a trillion dollars. We would have to assemble it in orbit, you cannot launch such a large craft with rockets.

Basically, this will never happen unless the US military declassifies the supposed gravity negating field generator that is rumored to be essential to the TR 3B, which is itself rumored to exist.

You have to go all in on conspiracy theory tech like that, or magically world peace happens, we invent affordable greater than parity fusion generators, oh and entirely magically figure out how to stop climate change, and replace petrochemicals at every single stage of production in the world economy.

I would call that delusional magical thinking.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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I didn’t say it would be easy or fast, just that we should expand into the solar system and that’s the only way we get to a trillion people.

Jeez, folks are really argumentative tonight.

CrushKillDestroySwag ,

A trillion is a lot. Even if we all went vegan and the food supply was centrally managed, I’m not sure you could do that on Earth.

themeatbridge ,

If every extant human didn’t need to worry about survival, we’d have 10,000 Mozarts. We could get there if we had zero billionaires.

Ragdoll_X ,
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Those delusional fucks think they’re the current Mozarts.

antidote101 ,

Even if these two just swallowed their pride and funded free music education for all ages we’d at least have thousands of Mozarts…

…do these guys even listen to contemporary composers anyway? Could they even identify a modern Mozart? My bet is no. They just have so much ego they believe they’d know about it instantly despite their lack of any intimate knowledge of the subject.

Bipta ,

A thousand times this.

If you look at the history of scientific discovery, you'll find that a great many of those making discoveries were born into wealth, or at least some degree of stability.

xkforce ,

Slave drivers wish for more slaves to drive: news at 11

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