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Should I have separate Lemmy and Mastodon accounts?

I am still learning this whole thing and I ended up creating accounts here and on Mastodon. Is that necessary or do I automatically have a Mastodon username with my Lemmy? I used the same stuff on both accounts, can I merge them or something?

Edit: thanks everyone, I can’t respond to each comment while I’m at work, but I appreciate every one of you!

Flaky ,
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I do. It just feels right to compartmentalise the two. Kbin has microblogging if you want a little bit of both though.

xaxl ,

They have different UIs that are better tailored to their respective platforms so imo it’s better to have accounts on both.

You don’t need to have a single account for everything and it’s far better for several reasons not to, even when it comes to Lemmy. Your browser and apps remember your account details for you anyway.

BlueSilverRed ,

I get that there are different apis for Lemmy and Mastodon (and maybe Lemmy and kbin), but I’m interested to know why you can’t create a server that supports both/all apis. Even if it’s not possible to support the correct ui on a website, why am I not allowed to log into an app that would display all the ui correctly regardless of whether your account is from mastodon/lemmy/kbin.

toasteranimation ,
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Memmy (and wefwef) is for lemmy instances only, while kbin can access both lemmy and mastodon communities.

BlueSilverRed ,

@toasteranimation when kbin finally gets apps, will I be able to log into them with my mastodon account but see the “correct” ui for lemmy and kbin?

toasteranimation ,
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I don’t think so. you’d login with your kbin account (I think)

BlueSilverRed ,

@toasteranimation i wonder if any app will ever be able to support that

toasteranimation ,
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I think maybe look at it the other way around. We should hope that one account at your preferred place (whether it’s kbin, mastodon or lemmy) be able to access everything. So if you have a mastodon account, you can already access content in the lemmyverse, albeit a bit clumsy. This is not possible from a lemmy account, afaik.

So once everything is united, you would be able to see content from anywhere in a format you enjoy through your one account

BlueSilverRed ,

@toasteranimation I feel like that’s what I’m asking for. I create one account, and then use it to log into a mastodon app to see things in a mastodon layout, and use it to log into a lemmy app to see things in a lemmy layout, etc. Currently I have one account that can only log into mastodon apps, and for some reason can’t log into lemmy apps.

toasteranimation ,
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Ok it’s early! Sorry for the misunderstanding. Yes, you can only log into mastodon apps with your mastodon account, but you CAN browse lemmy communities through mastodon and even interact with them. I’ve seen videos of people doing it, but on desktop not mobile.

BlueSilverRed ,

@toasteranimation I’m actually replying to this from my mastodon account on a mastodon app, so I’m perfectly aware it’s possible. The layout is just suboptimal. I’m just wondering why can’t/if an app can be created that I log into with my mastodon account, but shows a layout like lemmy.

toasteranimation ,
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Roger. I’m slowly coming up to speed here as the caffeine circulates. As people have explained it here, there are differences in how the microblogs and lemmy instances store their posts/comments/upvotes etc. These formatting differences at the programming level seem to be where the friction is when I’ve asked similar questions. People say, ‘well, upvotes and downvotes don’t work the same way, etc’ . I share your desire and instinctively thought it would be possible when I dove in here last week, but there are issues making a completely unified fediverse app that shows content from all places in your preferred format. I’m an Apollo refugee, so I want my Apollo-clone app (wefwef) that I’m using to show me mastodon content in MY preferred format, but it’s a no go right now. I’m sure an app will come along and make this possible soon. As of now, the kbin people are explicitly aiming to do just this (blend all content from both sides) so try kbin.social for that. I think it’s still buggy

BlueSilverRed ,

@toasteranimation fair enough. I understand that a lot of this software is still having growing pains, so makes sense that the answer is essentially no for now, maybe if you wait (or try to implement it yourself)

toasteranimation ,
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It’s all so new and devs are rushing in so things will evolve quickly. Kbin kinda does the job, but once you try it, you’ll just go back to where you came from because the flow is clumsy, especially if you’re used to something else.

jcg ,

Because they’re all different applications. I think the confusion here is between ActivityPub the protocol, and the applications that actually use it. The applications that use AP are all different, they have different data structures, hell mastodon and Lemmy/kbin are completely different at a conceptual level. They just communicate with each other via AP, but once they receive the AP message they convert it into their own data structures and concepts. And you should note that AP is technically a communications protocol, it doesn’t prescribe how stuff should be stored or sorted after an object is communicated between two servers and doesn’t really prescribe a way to browse through the historical activities of a person. These are things implemented by the application you’re using. So it’s not like you could just write an app that combs through all that data available on the fediverse, you’d need an instance that federates with all these places, then an app that uses that instance. Technically feasible but so far nobody’s done it yet, but you can see how some people reply to threads on Lemmy via Mastodon.

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    justanotherjo ,

    Yes. I recommend both. The 2 entities, while linked, behave differently. Think of lemmy/kbin like reddit and mastodon like Twitter.

    CataclysmZA ,
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    I similarly have separate logins. One day there’ll be easier integrations, but I don’t think kbin is it for now.

    kat , (edited )
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    I have separate accounts for Lemmy and Pixelfed/Mastodon. Their content is so different, that it's hard to find a unified way of interacting with it (following accounts vs. subscribing to and interacting within communities).

    If you still prefer to combine both, you could make an account on kbin.social. With that you can follow both Mastodon and Lemmy content and get a "unified" UI. I cannot say how well it works though, since I haven't tried it myself.

    theothermatt_b ,
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    Yeah I tried following a community on my mastodon account and it turns out “tweet-style” is not the best way to view comment threads.

    NostraDavid ,
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    Same - I just track my accounts in my KeePass, so it’s not too bad. I have way too many accounts anyway, and I don’t trust Google/Microsoft to keep them safe in the long term, so KeePass it is.

    ScaNtuRd ,

    KeePass is awesome. We have a new community on here dedicated to KeePass. You should come join at !keepass

    ShaggyDemiurge ,
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    Is there an android app for kbin?

    3xa8yte ,
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    Artemis for kbin is in development.

    chris ,
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    Not yet, but there are a couple coming, eg. https://kbin.social/m/ArtemisApp

    xaxl ,

    I looked a little into making one but there isn’t an API for KBin that would translate into a good experience yet.

    chris ,
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    You can interact on both platforms using one account, but the best experience is to have an account on each - Lemmy communities don't work very well on Mastodon, and Mastodon users can't be followed from Lemmy. Kbin is the middle ground which can do both.

    NatoBoram ,
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    Kbin also turns all your upvotes into reblogs, so you’ll be spamming Mastodon users whenever you like posts

    Duchess ,
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    That’s the way I personally do it. I’d love to be able to merge my lemmy and calckey accounts but a lot of us are still finding our feet in the fediverse right now. I’ve personally moved from a mastodon to a calckey instance and switched from one lemmy instance to another.

    Tiffany ,

    Separate seems smart. Interacting from Lemmy to Mastodon and vice-versa isn’t exactly the most user friendly experience, since neither platform was really built with those type of interactions in mind.

    Perhaps in future it’ll be more seamless.

    natarey ,
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    I keep them separate -- I don't like a single point of failure, and we're all so early on the fediverse stuff that I'm sure a few servers and services will implode in the near future before things settle down. Would be a real hassle to have everything attached to a single account.

    Chronophage ,
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    This was my thought exactly! I ended up signing up for access on 11 servers in a mix of mastodon, lemmy and kbin. Probably went overboard.

    ChouffeMeUp ,

    I went with both (mainly because I like different usernames for different apps/sites) but see what looks like people using one login for both.

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