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Luci ,
@Luci@lemmy.ca avatar

Just you.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Not all of them, some are just idiots.

Blizzard ,

You are correct. Do your mental health a favour and block that instance along with lemmygrad.

14th_cylon ,

Problem is that blocking the instance doesn’t block these clowns’ comments on other instances, you have to do a lot of manual blocking.

Stovetop ,

Some instances are defederated from them, which would prevent them from being seen elsewhere.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

That would work for some - hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml - but not for others, like lemmy.ml and maybe Midwest.social. At some point users need to start blocking on their own.

Fermion , (edited )

That depends on your client. Connect for lemmy shows a placeholder for comments from blocked instances. You can click to show the comment anyway or just blissfully ignore the high probability rage bait.

I actually like that implementation, because the obnoxiousness of hexbear users is context dependent. On posts about gardening and nolawns I’ll usually see what they have to say. On political posts, I usually regret reading their comments. So it’s somewhat nice to opt-in to comments on a case by case basis.

Kaboom ,

Pretty much, yeah, they’re insane. They’re also a very good reminder to go outside and talk to people outside your echo chamber regularly

EABOD25 OP ,

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  • Kaboom ,

    I’m talking more about hexbear in particular. That’s an echo chamber

    EABOD25 OP ,

    Oh. My bad

    OpenStars ,
    @OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

    No need to delete posts here - it’s okay to be wrong occasionally, and anyway the wording here was ambiguous, and I had the same take as you at first until the explanation was delivered separately.

    You’re good, it’s all good.:-)

    Nemo ,

    is everyone in hexbear insane?

    Yes.

    Badeendje ,
    @Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

    All animals are equal… But some more equal than others.

    Nomecks ,

    8 billion stupid monkeys

    JusticeForPorygon ,
    @JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world avatar

    Seconded

    Source: am stupid monke

    Zipitydew ,

    If you’ve heard of Chapo Trap House that’s them. If not, most of those kids/idiots/trolls are the type of terminally online fake leftists that give other leftist a bad image in general. They were so ridiculous Reddit got tired of their shit and banned them a couple years back.

    fern ,

    They were banned when reddit cracked down on any leftist thought, not because they were especially bad from what I saw.

    Zipitydew ,

    They were banned around the same time as The Donald because everyone was tired of the shit both groups were doing.

    fern ,

    I do remember that, and I remember them half-assing the Donald by just letting them make a new sub (or overrun conspiracy irrc)

    Zipitydew ,

    Yeah they immediately took over Conspiracy and consolidated the hold on Conservative. Made me really sad as conspiracy used to have some incredible rabbit hole posts. Then one day it was just TD all over again.

    grue ,

    IIRC, the fun conspiracists moved to r/high_strangeness or something like that.

    USSMojave ,
    @USSMojave@startrek.website avatar

    Do you know if there’s a Lemmy version?

    alcoholicorn ,

    The Donald had largely abandoned the sub well before it was banned though.

    Zipitydew ,

    Largely because they moved to different subs.

    The Chapo crew didn’t want to calm down with all the threats of violence and other ridiculous antics. So they left completely.

    alcoholicorn ,

    Threats of violence against confederate slave owners.

    Zipitydew ,

    TIL Reddit admins were confederate slavers

    alcoholicorn ,

    When the sub was put on probation, the post Reddit cited was justifying violence against slave owners. As far as I can tell, you just made up that they threatened Reddit admins.

    Zipitydew ,

    There were other things that went down to get them on probation. I can tell you’re gladly defending them though. Which is ridiculous so have a nice day.

    BakerBagel ,

    Huffman has been a frequent attendee at Burning Man, the annual, clothing-optional festival in the Nevada desert, where artists mingle with moguls. He fell in love with one of its core principles, “radical self-reliance,” which he takes to mean “happy to help others, but not wanting to require others.” (Among survivalists, or “preppers,” as some call themselves, FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, stands for “Foolishly Expecting Meaningful Aid.”) Huffman has calculated that, in the event of a disaster, he would seek out some form of community: “Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”

    Spez pretty openly fantasizes about owwning slaves

    abraham_linksys ,

    Not saying you’re wrong but a citation with that quote would go a long way

    BakerBagel ,
    BakerBagel ,

    The_Donald was dead amd had migrated to a non-reddit forum a month before the ban. It was typical “both sides” bullshit from a dude who always uses the kiddy gloves with fascists while throwing the book at any leftists

    SirDerpy , (edited )

    Seeing the ban coming, they financed and suffered alpha and beta of the Lemmy platform we all enjoy. Then, they chose to become the most GLBTQ+ friendly destination on the internet.

    As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.

    But, perhaps the part I like most is the struggle sessions. The entire community will heavily focus on a current topic, then hash it out with good faith discussion.

    Their shit isn’t convenient or comfortable. It’s not easy to understand. And, I fucking love them for it.

    edit: Lazy coders need choose a randomized target value and timing or be a moderator to avoid detection by the user. Perceiving is easy when your code is trash. Ask for help from an industrial engineer.

    mathemachristian ,

    Yeah they kept being able to back the most ridiculous claims and then suddenly I was like “oh no they were right all along” and got radicalized 🤷

    Zipitydew ,

    Coming up with theory in an echo chamber isn’t hard.

    mathemachristian ,

    and how they kept being able to back it up?

    Zipitydew ,

    That’s the whole point of an echo chamber yes. You can say whatever you want without being challenged by other viewpoints and make anything seem plausible.

    mathemachristian ,

    but they are linking a lot of outside sources. That’s what I mean by “backing their claims up”, studies about covid, about the ukraine war, about Israel, it’s not just someone making a claim and then everyone is nodding along.

    What I am saying is they were able to completely upend the way I see the world and you just can’t do that by claiming thengs and linking to some other claims you make.

    Zipitydew ,

    What you’re not accounting for is how they curate who is allowed to post in the first place.

    alcoholicorn ,

    Hexbear is not able to curate who is allowed to post in other instances

    OpenStars ,
    @OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

    If you’ve heard of Chapo Trap House that’s them.

    You seem to have lost the thread of this conversation, but this is how it started. Hexbear admins and mods definitely control who is allowed to post in Chapo Trap House, and related communities such as the_dunk_tank, even from instances other than Hexbear.net.

    alcoholicorn ,

    Mathemachristian is on lemm.ee, Hexbear cannot control most of the communities he sees.

    mathemachristian ,

    I was on lemm.ee when I got radicalized, all my life Ive been exposed to people claiming all sorts of things. I was a pro-NATO pro-Ukraine anti-ussr anti-china average reddit lib that they were able to convince otherwise.

    AmidFuror ,

    Wait until you hear about Scientology! Not the criticism from haters but the really mindbending stuff they have figured out.

    Kaboom ,

    It’s surprisingly easy to backup horrible ideas, but that shouldn’t be your only concern. You also need to think about the morals and what happened last time it was tried.

    The ends do not justify the means. The means are the ends.

    GBU_28 ,

    Their supposed support of LGBTQ+ is all for naught when they openly fawn after Stalin

    SirDerpy ,

    There’s much to learn from Stalin. But, advocating his authoritarian means is a bannable offense there just as they are in any meritable leftist forum. They tolerate a minority of revolutionaries ideologically leading the lumpen as it’s a historically very well-supoorted position. But, that doesn’t extend to physical force as that’s also a historically very well supported position.

    It’s much easier, convenient, and comfortable to demonized them than understand them. They even provided proactive assistance when many were deciding if they should defederate. They voted internally for defederation to defend their community from the medicrity of the masses.

    GBU_28 ,

    If not enjoying the image posts of young Stalin as some sort of brilliant maverick is mediocrity, well, so be it. They are clowns, and their beliefs structure is just like trump claiming he “loves the gays”

    SirDerpy ,

    Young Stalin is where the good stuff is. It’s his implementation of those idealistic principles that’s unethical.

    The rest of what you’ve said is strawman. Most important is the implying that they’re all of one mind. Diversity of ideology is perhaps their greatest strength.

    GBU_28 ,

    🥱

    Literally out here defending Stalin stans

    SirDerpy ,

    Ad hominem is literally the best you had when confronted with facts that didn’t fit the shallow narrative you chose.

    GBU_28 ,

    The “facts” are things we both agreed are posted there. That’s all I need. If they’re a stalin apologist / stan then the shows over.

    SirDerpy ,

    Probably also wrote off the Bible due to the implementation of the followers. That’s too bad.

    GBU_28 ,

    The medieval rewrite of an Abrahamic faith mythology? More junk.

    14th_cylon ,

    As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.

    Oh yes, they are so funny, misunderstood, thoughtful and nuanced thinkers.

    F them and f you for defending them.

    https://lemm.ee/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FnaqzXc7.png

    This ~1800 comment thread about whether lemm.ee should defederate with them is all you need for some eye opening, in case anyone needs that.

    lemm.ee/post/4543536

    Above screenshot is from said thread.

    The comrade in it actually suggests that there is a time and place for such rhetoric, it is just not right here, right now. you have to think politically and wait for your moment!

    SirDerpy ,

    Yes, please read what the .ee admin says about where the bigoted users originate and the actions of the hexbear mods in response. It certainly speaks for itself.

    would_be_appreciated ,

    But, perhaps the part I like most is the struggle sessions. The entire community will heavily focus on a current topic, then hash it out with good faith discussion.

    I’ve never seen this - not just from that instance, but literally anywhere on the internet, even back in the forum or bb days. But I’ve been looking for something like that for years, and I’d be interested. Do you know of any specific examples of this happening?

    LarmyOfLone ,

    I also haven’t seen this but it seems to make fun of the authoritarian excesses in Mao’s China (struggle session).

    The Three Body Problem show features this, leading a character to go mad and wanting to destroy humanity.

    The funny thing is that this post is sort of a struggle session, an attempt to build consensus against socialists.

    SirDerpy ,

    The best example I’ve experienced online is hexbear’s process to derive forum ruleset with respect to their minority of GLBTQ+. The consensus was that many understood and that those that did not would follow in faith, assuming that they would soon understand. The second best online example was the GME subreddits’ cultural response to initial scaling. The consensus was that each should individually choose and the collective’s purpose was to educate, this strengthening individual wisdom.

    But, my guidance would be to first pursue such things in real life. A leftist’s best work is almost always grassroots local.

    slazer2au ,

    Yes, Everyone. the bots, the human user, me, and even you. You can’t escape it.

    lord_ryvan ,

    You and @EABOD25 aren’t on hexbear, though, are you?

    EABOD25 OP ,

    I normally search search by “all” when scrolling and I’ll see one or two posts from there. I haven’t really figured out all the technicals, but I see posts from all instances

    Stovetop ,

    It might vary from app to app, but there are usually options to toggle between Local and Everywhere for “All” content, if you want to see just what is on your own instance versus all other instances yours is federated with.

    lord_ryvan ,

    Sure, but I meant you asked if everyone in hexbear is insane, and they included you and themselves in the hexbear server, I think?

    Anyway, you can block users/communities/servers, still. Maybe that can improve your experience?

    EABOD25 OP ,

    My experience is already great. There’s nothing anyone can say to me to ruin my day

    EABOD25 OP ,

    Yeah but my insane is cheeky and fun. Their insane is cruel and tragic

    PlasticExistence ,

    I’m going to pistol whip the next person who says shenanigans

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@midwest.social avatar

    Hey EABOD25, what’s the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?

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