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How is Lemmy better than Reddit?

I am a reddit refugee. Keep seeing that this is supposed to be somehow better than Reddit. As far as I can tell, it follows a similar format, less restrictive on posts being removed I suppose. But It looks like people still get down vote brigaded on some communities. So I’m curious, how it’s better?

olafurp ,

It’s more Linux memes for me.

mojofrododojo ,

NO SPEZ. That’s enough

stock ,

The “fuck /u/spez” wave is one of my last, and favorite, Reddit memories haha

OkGo ,

For me it’s not that it’s “better” it’s just not the cesspit that Reddit has become. It’s certainly better for avoiding mindless negativity.

Anon518 ,

Unfortunately, I haven’t observed that. There seem to be many people on Lemmy who go out of their way to be antagonistic to other Lemmy users. Which includes downvote brigading, as the OP said.

EnderMB ,

Sadly I have to agree. While the nice people on Lemmy are much nicer, there are some really extreme views here that are heavily detached from reality.

I’ve probably had more heavy downvotes or arguments on Lemmy in 9 months than I had on Reddit in over 15 years. The highlight recently was me discussing how expert systems are used in LLM’s, given that I’m a software engineer that works in AI at a big tech company for a living. Nope, I’m wrong, LLM’s aren’t real AI, downvotes… Pair this with me questioning customer data access rules in big tech, which resulted in someone arguing my view on something I literally helped build and telling me to “open source it to prove it”.

Barbarian ,
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LLM’s aren’t real AI

I think that’s mostly a semantics issue. When people talk about AI here on Lemmy, they generally mean AGI. LLMs are not AGIs, as far as I understand it.

EnderMB ,

They’re absolutely not. Where most people on Lemmy are wrong is in saying that most LLM’s just parrot back trained text. The reality is that a LLM action plan will likely contain expert API’s to provide valuable context. All a LLM is nowadays is an orchestrator platform, where it will pass ambiguities to an expert system that knows how to answer or give clarification.

We’re decades away from “AGI”, if at all. LLM’s aren’t even new, it’s just that big tech has decided that the price of hallucinations and burning several rainforests a month’s to power the fuckers is worth it.

laughterlaughter ,

The irony is that I’ve been antagonized for looking for other examples of AI that are not related to LLMs. As in “lol LLMs are AI!!!” and I have to reply with “yeah, I know that, but what other types are being used out there?” “just shut up with your anti-LLM stuff!”

UniversalMonk ,
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I’ve probably had more heavy downvotes or arguments on Lemmy in 9 months than I had on Reddit in over 15 years.

Same. I mean, I still love and prefer Lemmy, but I’ve had DM’s of people saying that they were gonna follow me around on Lemmy “just to keep an eye on” me because I disagreed with what they said. lmao

TheBrideWoreCrimson ,

Right? Way too often, I see some really interesting comments sitting at 0 or -1, and some still somewhat interesting and/ or arguably good-faith comments have something like -50 because they go against the current direction of the herd. I usually upvote at least the former, but for the latter, it’s not going to matter much, unfortunately.
Furthermore, some mods get way too personally invested and take an obvious disliking to you so everything you contribute will be pushed to the bottom of the stack anyways.

laughterlaughter ,

Mindless negativity has arrived - at least in lemmy.world.

I have some tech-related subscriptions, so I check those out every now and then, but they have few new posts. So when I browse the Popular section, oy… corporations bad, climate change bad, war bad, economy bad. (Not saying it’s not true, I just want a place I can browse and escape all that for five minutes.)

And some users (even mods!) have an “all-or-nothing” attitude too, which is infuriating because they won’t drive me away from the cause, but they may drive away others with less patience.

For example, I say “I support the blue color. Now, I wonder, if metallic blue with a purple hue is really a true blue? And how? Trying to learn. Just curious…” and then someone says “YOU JUST OUTED YOURSELF AS A BLUE HATER!!!”

Nibodhika ,

Lots of great answers, but I would like to know from you, WHY did you leave reddit?

For lots of us the last straw was closing down the API, since that meant we were forced into the official app. Such a thing is impossible on Lemmy because it’s federated, so if an instance decided to do that, it would just get ignored by everyone else.

freeman ,

Much more diverse opinions mainly because there are more non-Americans percentage wise.

JimSamtanko ,

If you only look on the surface- it really isn’t. Hive-mind mentality, power tripping mods….

It’s essentially the same thing but with a far-left theme.

Now… under the hood? Entirely different.

orcrist ,

Far left? Where? I just don’t see it.

Solumbran ,

Having fewer nazis and more “enlightened” centrists is considered far left nowadays

JimSamtanko ,

Nah- punching everything right of Karl Marx is considered far-left on lemmy.

Roflmasterbigpimp ,
@Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly? Muuuuuuuuuuuch nicer Posts. I see so many more wholesome Posts here. FFS, even the GreenText’s are more wholesome.

madjo ,

I could use some of that, can you recommend some communities?

Cethin ,

You’ve gotten plenty of replies, so I’m sure this has been said. There’s nothing to make the content or behavior better. The thing that’s better is it isn’t controlled by a single entity. If 9ne of the hosts tries to use their power to restrict API calls, for example, the other instances can ignore them. Anyone can always spin up new instances as well.

That said, one instance (Lemmy.world) has far more users and communities than any other, which isn’t ideal. If they were to just cut ties with everyone else then a lot of people and communities would become lost. This doesn’t have to be the case, and hopefully it diversifies, but it is the case right now.

Scrollone ,

Reddit used to be open-source, its code still archived on GitHub… then we saw what happened. They closed the source (de facto killing every small Reddit clone) and more recently they cut ties with every developer using their APIs.

I honestly see lemmy.world as a problem. Not as big as relying on Reddit source code, but still a problem. We need to prevent centralization as much as possibile, and one instance having >50% of all users is a bad sign.

Mobile apps (such as Voyager) let you choose the instance you want to sign up. I think they should incentivize instances that are not lemmy.world, until it scales back to a smaller size. Like some kind of rubber-band roulette.

secret300 ,

open-source, self hostable and federated

Dead_or_Alive ,

Welcome, it’s not better.

roserose56 ,

Simple, no Karma whoring, real people to argue, no bots posting fake stories about something that happened related to the post, and best of all, controlled by users and not corporate people.

SuperSaiyanSwag ,

At the end of the day, we all loved Reddit at one point, but it is clear where it is heading with all the random mtx stuff, adding some annoying standard social media features, making asshole greedy corpo decisions etc.
One big one for me is that the opinions seems a lot more varied, but I think Reddit has been flooded with bots for the past few years.

Freefall ,

If you have a shit opinion that noone agrees with and they downvote you to hell, that isn’t “brigading”… As for it being better…the mods alone make it 1000x better.

John_McMurray ,

Just as a user, being able to block subs here is awful nice. When reddit decided I didn’t get to decide what I see anymore, I was out.

thawed_caveman ,

I assume that most if not all of Lemmy mods are former/current Reddit mods, same as users. If it’s largely the same people, then the improvement has to come from somewhere else.

fprawn ,

The form of this kind of social media has got the same set of upsides and downsides as it does on Reddit. It won’t be exactly the same because the people are different, but the problems aren’t that different and the people aren’t that different either.

As a mostly lurker I find the experience pretty similar. I scroll through and find some interesting articles, bits of news, memes. It’s a slower pace, but I think in time it’ll grow faster. People migrate over occasionally, but there may be a critical mass moment when it’s big enough that lots of people start flooding over. Or it won’t and it’ll just fizzle out to nothing over time, who knows. For the moment it’s good enough for me to have replaced Reddit entirely.

As for things that are better: you get a lot more control over how you want to experience it. There’s no singular controller always dragging the experience down toward profitability. There are clients a-plenty, the api is open, you can control what parts of the network you see and which you don’t. It does take some effort, of course.

As for worse, because there’s no singular entity controlling the network, there’s going to be some very dark corners. You can block them (many will be blocked by individual server operators already), but they’re still there and they get to carry the Lemmy name and newcomers are most likely to experience it.

Just my thoughts on the subject, it’s been discussed a lot, I’m sure other people have quite different perspectives.

some_guy ,

Others have already nailed some of the best reasons so I’ll just say Welcome.

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