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Why is there no sense of "camaderie" in the workplace?

So when I worked in last 2 roles, I’d joke around and have a laugh with colleagues, the workplace culture of those places I guess was more relaxed, but I got that sense of lack of camaderie or fellowmanship from others too during my time working.

Sorry to be naive, but is it because some people look out for themselves and it’s kind of “Yeah you’re a funny guy but uh… when shit hits the fan I ain’t there with you” kind of shtick.

Not saying these guys are assholes or anything, but I just think with the current world in any work industry it seems to be tricky to make real friendships inside and outside of work.

I don’t know if this just me but I notice that big distinction of the joking around and sharing the same invested topics (I.e. video games) but no more than that

TLDR - Confused if people are being genuine, but they don’t really “care” in a sense?

Please let me know if I’m spouting gobbledygook, thank you.

TheFonz ,

Did you mean Camaraderie?

Tekkip20 OP ,
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Yeah sorry lol, Guess the autocorrect didn’t fix it there for me!

Snapz ,

Depends on the type of “workplace” really, but generally, the answer is because work is an unstable capitalist mess and you have no confidence as a worker that you’ll have a job tomorrow, regardless of performance.

You see, your list frames a “failing” of workers to connect, while you’re ignoring the larger system in play. Kind of you walking around Nazi Germany saying, “hey, why is everyone such a frowny bummer? Marching is fun. Okay, so which three snacks would you all take to a desert island?”

Read the room, bud.

Kaiyoto ,

I think it depends on the industry and circle of friends you can find in that work place. Someone I know works in an oil chang place and they tell off color jokes and what not. I work in corporate and almost nobody does that. I also avoid creating that kind of relationship at work because I’ve been burned on drama from those types of connections. But I still manage to have a couple of people I trust and we’ll joke around and curse.

Today ,

My work team is very close. It’s the reason we all stay. We range from 1 to 34 years and people only leave if they’re retiring or moving for a spouse job. Our office is shelter from the shit going on in the rest of the district. That said, it’s beginning to penetrate and, after 16 years, i may be the first one to just walk.

randomdeadguy ,
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You all should have a better reason to stay

Today ,

We love our work. Having a vey close, supportive team makes us able to tolerate the shit that rains down from above sometimes.

ApollosArrow ,

From the comments I gather that this mostly depends on the kind of work. I’d assume anywhere that is a “career” type place vs “just a job” will have different kinds of attitudes. At a “just a job” you want to just gfto when you clock out. I’ve mostly had jobs in relation to education or creative, and most of the people there just want to connect.

I’ve always had friends and good times with coworkers, many of whom I’m still in contact with to this day, hell, I’ve helped some of them move.

eatthecake ,

I have a ‘just a job’ and to give you a different perspective: we are bored as fuck and many people survive by socialising. People make friends and start relationships there all the time. There’s a social club and other groups of friends that regularly see each other outside of work. It’s also shift work with regular overtime and weekend work so people can’t always easily socialise outside of their job.

ApollosArrow ,

This has always been my experience as well. My first job was “just a job”. But I worked there for 6 yrs and made many friendships during that time. There were many “time to clock out people”, but at least half regularly hung out.

troglodytis , (edited )

For me it’s much easier to work with people I don’t like if we’re not trying to be friends. It doesn’t matter if I like them or not. Doesn’t matter if I think they are a piece of shit or awesome. We each have skills required to get the job done, and we use them together to do it.

Butts in seats is the most important metric for our middle management. In my gig if we don’t have a full team, job can’t get done. Middle management is incentivised to have butts in seats. So good luck having any say in who is filling those roles.

Combine that with an industry full of toxic work environment. Yeah, I apply my skill set and go home. It keeps the lights on

snooggums ,
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Doesn’t matter if I think they are a piece of shit or awesome. We each have skills required to get the job done, and we use them together to do it.

I am of the same opinion, but sadly a ton of people have to like you before they will just do their damn job. Bunch of petty assholes.

sunzu ,

sadly a ton of people have to like you before they will just do their damn job.

Sounds like management issue imho.

Also, I wonder how that turn over is looking if the job requires this lol

GetOffMyLan ,

Yeah it’s pretty gobbledygook. Don’t think you explained yourself that well.

Many people just want to do their job and go home. They don’t want to make friends. Or they have no motivation to do anything beyond what they are paid for to help the company or colleagues.

Which is totally fair enough to me. If I didn’t need to work to live I 100% wouldn’t. Even though I quite enjoy my job and like the people I work with.

Rhynoplaz ,

It really depends on the people and the environment. I’ve worked places where the whole crew would go out after work quite frequently, and we had a great time, other places, I barely learned people’s names.

I like chatting with coworkers and building a “more than just a coworker” relationship, but I don’t need it, so I don’t push for it. More of a door’s open if you want, kind of thing for me.

MissJinx ,
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As a non american working for americans in a american company, yes you guys have a very formal/not friendly culture, but i guess it also depends on the company. This is the first time in my professional life I feel like I have to pay atention to every single word I say.

Rhynoplaz ,

It really depends where you work. I’ve seen places where nobody says anything because they can’t trust each other, and others where we say whatever we want because we all understand each other.

The more corporate the place is, the more restrictions you’ll have on interactions to “protect the brand”.

MissJinx ,
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The place I work everyone is really nice and helpfull, I really love working here, but everyone is very “professional” and formal all the time. There is no chating in the cooler or talking about the Olympics. Is business only 100% of the time which can be mentally tiring

Kolanaki ,
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I never plan to stay very long at most jobs I’ve had. I’m just doing them because I need money. Something better comes along, I leave. So I don’t really feel like making relationships with people I don’t think I’ll work with very long.

Nemo ,

I don’t really consider someone a friend until we’ve shared a meal. Some places lend themselves more to that than others.

HubertManne ,

People I know from work are work aquantices. Some I have been rather fond of but at the end of the day friends are people I hang with when im not working. I personally have not had work friends. Its like friends vs schoolmates. I have had friends that were also schoolmates but plenty of schoolmates that were not. Again not that I did not like them or that I did not share a laugh with them here and there but it comes down to hanging outside of the required to be at thing.

Dead_or_Alive ,

In my experience Boomers, Gen X and older Millennials generally want to socialize at work. They grew up in a office environment where you were constantly around your coworkers and social media was in its infancy.

Younger Millennials and GenZ mostly want to make a paycheck and go home. They generally don’t want to socialize with people outside of their circle. I sometimes think genZ is way happier at home 24/7 and don’t want human interaction. Could also be they just don’t have the money for it.

retrieval4558 ,

Anomie

MojoMcJojo ,

Poor leadership. A good leader can set the tone for better or worse. Unfortunately leadership is very rarely taught, so bosses tend fall back on their upbringing. A leader is at the front working harder than everyone else and suffering with their team, a boss is at the back telling everyone to work harder while suffering nothing. A boss who is also a leader is far to rare.

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