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V0lD ,

Protests are very good at causing civil unrest, damaging public property, making other peoples days worse, and swaying their view further away from your cause

If any of those are your goal, they can be quite effective

theodewere ,
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if protests did nothing, they wouldn't be forbidden in China and Russia and every other autocratic society

RedditWanderer ,

Also there’s the American protest, where the opposing political party mounts a counter protests and politicians let them fight amongst each other. Then there’s the French protest, where they set the barbecue on the tram tracks and walk in milions for days.

Not all protests are equal

Rooskie91 ,

Yeah they shoot us when we try to protest like the French? Kinda tired of this comparison because it’s not apples to apples. America’s protest laws are not kind and they’re getting worse.

RedditWanderer ,

Laughs in Hong Kong, or any other major protest in the last decade.

kadotux ,
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No they wouldn’t. If they did, the uproar would be massive. Or maybe not, idk, I’m not a yankee.

BeatTakeshi ,
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Farmers protested all over Europe recently and got what they wanted, which is to get rid of latest environmental regulations (that would have enforced an end of subsidies on diesel, reduction of nitrates use in fertilisers etc).

Sodis ,

Yeah, but farmers have a powerful lobby and they produce our food. So they got some power behind their words.

Mango ,

They help your rich opposition to identify you so they can quietly filter you into poverty or bring you an accident.

TropicalDingdong ,

Only ones that can materially disrupt things.

A protest with a permit or with permission is a parade.

Adramis ,

Even those can still have some benefit - it can act as a networking opportunity for people to meet each other and plan other events / get involved in other ways, it can give a morale boost to people considering giving up, etc.

Chewget ,

Yes

soggy_kitty ,

Nope

RightHandOfIkaros ,

Sometimes. It depends on a lot of factors. Protests can convince people to change their mind, it has happened in the past and does happen on some situations these days as well. Protests can also have negative effects as well, considering things like where, when, and how a protest is carried out can either change people’s minds or entrench them even more in their own opinion.

At the end of the day, the outcome of a protest is just as unpredictable as what a person will do in ten years. Or even the next hour, really.

fastandcurious OP ,
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Hmmm, ig it works if people in charge are actually someone who are willing to accept their mistakes and change their minds, which does not seem to be the case for the situation in question

MMNT ,

Protests rarely have a fast rate of changing political situations. Take a look at the suffragette movement. There is also a big difference of success between peaceful and violent protests.

umbrella ,
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I dunno, effective protesting will most of the time target the rich, or oil companies etc. instead of changing peoples minds. talking is a good tool for that instead.

Goodie ,

Read up on the civil rights movements or how women got the right to vote.

Protests 100% work

CaptainProton ,

Only when there’s enough people that it’s bordering revolution. Note how many national guard were not only deployed, but actually found themselves in gun battles (over civil rights), it was nuts by today’s norms.

ABCDE ,

Note, 100% can work, but don’t work 100%.

DAMunzy ,

There were plenty of less peaceful groups too. So I guess they 100% worked too.

kilgore_trout ,

History shows that protests worked either when the vast majority of the population striked, or when they were violent.

I am quite disillusioned that gathering in a single square for a few hours with some signs will ever change anything.

UnfortunateDoorHinge ,

That’s a great question. What I would say is the wheels of justice turn painfully slowly.

I am sure Antony Blinken is well aware of domestic concerns over the wellbeing of Gazans, the unfortunate reality is any big decision against or at Israel will come with negative consequences.

The path of least resistance might be allowing the Israeli’s to squeeze out their own leader democratically. Is that the best way? Well, probably? Not always?

A pacifist may look to the Vietnam War, Libya or Iran and say action was injustice, an activist might look at the Rwandan Genocide and say pacifism was injustice. Diplomacy has to do it’s thing.

ExLisper ,

Depends who’s protesting and what’s the support for the protests among general population. The problem with most of the protests you see is that the people that do the protesting are the same people that oppose the government. So yeah, no government is going to react to protests done by people that don’t vote for it, no matter how big. If the actual people that got the government elected protest or support the protest then they listen. Of course most of the time people know what they are voting and the government is doing exactly what it promised so they will not protest.

Alpha71 ,

They do alot more then bitching about something on social media and expecting that to change anything…

DAMunzy ,

Both are “bitching”. Both are raising awareness. Both don’t seem to be changing/doing anything.

Almost like peaceful protesting doesn’t always work.

pineapplelover ,

Better than staying inside and not doing shit. It shows community activism.

SportsRulesOpinions ,
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You need to use your protests as recruiting grounds for more direct pressure on your government. You should establish or join a lobbying organization and recruit volunteers. You will have these people write letters to the editor, solicit for donations, call and write to your representatives, and schedule in-person meetings with government officials.

Standing on the street and yelling by itself is not enough, you need to become a part of the establishment to affect change, but you can grow your organization by finding people who have proven to be motivated. A protest is a great place for that sort of thing.

memfree ,
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You’ve summed up the key take-aways I got from my youthful protests of days gone by. 1) Teach the newbies about the current protest issue and possibly related issues. 2) Recruit. 3) Make contacts. 4) ORGANIZE. Not everyone can lead or organize for an issue, but everyone can be a helper. Your local government officials don’t care about your single voice, but they DO care if you represent a block of voters that are going to vote based on policy X. A petition with a bunch of signatures means more than a single letter, but an organized group with many letters and petitions and phone calls all identifying as voting members of Anti-Fraking-Club (or whatever), which meets every Y days and wants new regulation Z … that will get more attention. It might not be enough to combat the deep pockets on the other side, but enumerating the members of an organized voting block is better than noting some rabble rousers in the streets.

morphballganon ,

Absolutely, they provide the police with bodies they can beat with impunity.

AA5B ,

I recently looked up the history of a 1969 civil rights protest at the college I went to, and found a newspaper article tracing changes at the school right through to the current day.

A big difference is they were protesting decisions at a university. It may have been a general movement across the country but it was really a large local protest against a local entity. The protests against Israel are generally not in Israel, and even if the goal is to change one or more supporting country’s policy, the protests really aren’t that big relative to the whole country or its government.

I think the protests are still too small, given the scale at which they’re trying to influence a change

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