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Travalanche ,
@Travalanche@lemmy.world avatar

This death is a tragedy. At the same time, I just don’t care at this point, which is another tragedy. Israel has taken their revenge plot too far. They have turned the awful deaths of their people into the sad smoke of justification for a genocide that some of their citizens have been hoping and planning for. This is not the middle ages anymore. We know better. You know better. The fact that my government actively supports this breaks my heart all the more.

remer ,

It’s not a revenge plot. It’s a land grab. The Israelis had this planned out way ahead of time and they were just waiting for an excuse that wouldn’t draw international condemnation. It’s similar to the US moves in Iraq after 9/11. Cheney and his club had that all planned out ahead of time. wikipedia.org/…/Project_for_the_New_American_Cent…

saze ,

A world class intelligence agency, which would normally know the contents and length of your bowel movement, totally shits the bed and lets an egregious attack play out, while their media assets chalk it up to a “failure of imagination” .

Where have I seen this one before?

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

If the title started “bodies of Palestinian dad…” this post would be flooded

Illuminostro ,

By bots.

Ace0fBlades ,

Suffering is not a competition. These are people being ground to dust by the cruelty of those in power around them making decisions that cause these events occur.

Rapidcreek ,

Only an asshole would kidnap a disabled girl and kill her because of a political belief. Of course, Hamas did much worse. There is no excuse for that, my friend.

chaogomu ,

Yes, Hamas is evil. Israel responded to that evil by killing thousands, and are gearing up to kill tens of thousands more. Included in that count are thousands of children.

And because suffering is not a competition, we know that both of these things are fucking evil. Israel's mass slaughter is just as evil as Hamas' initial attack. The only difference is, Israel has far more munitions and is planning far more murder than Hamas could ever dream of.

Rapidcreek ,

Hamas is evil but let’s criticize Israel. Hamas uses human shields and encamps in schools and hospitals, but you dislike the tactics needed to defeat that. SMH

chaogomu ,

Do you listen to yourself? Hamas uses human shields, so you want to murder all the hostages? Just pre-emptively murder them all. That way Hamas can't use them, right?

No thought beyond mass murder, which is what Hamas wants, because the more wanton murder that the Israelis engage in, the more recruits Hamas gets.

And then there's the fact that Hamas has been propped up by Israel, funded by Israel.

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Netanyahu-Money-to-Hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-Palestinians-divided-583082

Rapidcreek ,

Just stating a fact. Hamas does use human shields. How would you fight them?

chaogomu ,

See, that's the problem, you want to fight. Israel wants the fight, because the n they can justify more ethnic cleansing.

To deal with Hamas, you have to deal with the root causes of Hamas.

You have to defuse the justified anger of the Palestinian people, stop the settlers, put many of them in jail for the crimes they've committed, put many Israeli leaders in jail for the crimes they too have committed, and then put the leaders of Hamas in jail.

That's the starting point.

Give all the Palestinians citizenship, and the protections that come with it.

Side note, did you know that the vast majority of Palestinians don't have citizenship of any country, despite being born in the area? The area their grandparents were born in? Their great-great-to-the-uncounted generation grandparents?

Yeah, give all Palestinians full citizenship. That right there would diffuse a lot of the anger. And then you can work on dismantling Hamas as a police matter, and not as a military target.

Rapidcreek ,

See, that’s the problem, you want to fight. Israel wants the fight, because the n they can justify more ethnic cleansing. I

Let’s see how far into the BS you can go. So, it didn’t have anything to do with the butchery of 10/07?

As far as the other stuff is concerned, after the war there will be changes. Israel doesn’t want occupation. So Palestinians and the world will have to figure it out.

chaogomu ,

Israel doesn't want an occupation? What the fuck are they doing in the West Bank then? That's a full military occupation.

But no. You're right. Israel seems to want to kill everyone in Gaza, or maybe just force the survivors to live in an even more cramped concentration camp.

Rapidcreek ,

GAZA IS NOT THE West Bank. Look at a map.

Madison420 ,

That’s your argument. They do shitty shit in both places but oooo geography.

Rapidcreek ,

Did you look at a map? The West Bank has a separate government you know.

Madison420 ,

Reading comprehension boss, have another go at reading the three comments above yours and try again.

Rapidcreek ,

That sentence doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, but that figuers.

Madison420 ,

It makes perfect sense unlike.

“Figuers”

Rapidcreek ,

It makes no sense.

Madison420 ,

It makes sense, you just have to have reading comprehension.

Rapidcreek ,

Ha

Madison420 ,

Responding monosyllabically isn’t exactly making the point you think it is.

Madison420 ,

What about the butchery of bombing the Palestinian embassy killing 91 civilians.

Oh yeah that was Israel forcing they’re way into mandatory Palestine only to start a campaign of civilian bombing, and outright murder and torture.

If we’re playing the “but what about” game we have something like 3000 years and hundreds of thousands if not millions of casualties.

Rapidcreek , (edited )

Now that is a true whatabout. I doubt you would know 3000 years of history.

Madison420 ,

I know how to spell history so I I’ve got a leg up on you already.

Rapidcreek ,

But I can fix it. You can’t fix your stupidly

Madison420 ,

“Stupidity”

The irony will probably escape you.

Rapidcreek ,

The irony is 3000 years of historry

Madison420 ,

That’s not irony dumb dumb.

Rapidcreek ,

Your nonsense is 3,000 years old.

Madison420 ,

I’m gunna bet you thought that was actually clever, it wasn’t.

Apollo ,

… but not the difference between “they’re” and “their”?

Madison420 ,

Considering that comment didn’t include either, I’m not sure of your point bud.

Madison420 ,

With a multi billion dollar military that trains ground troops for that exact situation, you know like a functioning military rather than stormtroopers.

Rapidcreek ,

You are not answering the question. You don’t like IDF tactics? Explain one1 why that works.

Madison420 ,

I don’t need to dipshit, you say I’m wrong prove it to be.

semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agi The burden of proof lays with the accuser.

Rapidcreek ,

Then don’t reply. Go somewhere else to spout your bullshit

Madison420 ,

Get fucked crybaby, the fact that the usual solution to hostage taking isn’t “shoot them both in the fucking face” anywhere else in the world it cannot logically be the only solution but perhaps Israels final solution for the Palestinian “problem”.

Rapidcreek ,

That is your read and obviously you have a lot of criticism but no idea what you are talking about. Good luck in life. You’ll need it.

Madison420 ,

It’s not my opinion or my read, 10k dead half of which are children illustrates the blatantly fucking obvious.

Fall off a cliff bud, we need it.

Madison420 ,

Ok to flip that hamas may use human shields and Israel doesn’t see these human shields even children as worthy enough to not turn them into a puddle slowly filtered through rubble.

But yes let’s compare murder to hostage taking, I’m pretty sure one has a worse punishment legally speaking.

Rapidcreek ,

If that were true, Israel wouldn’t tell them to move. But, there’s no use trying logic with you is there.

All you can do? When you come up with a military strategy to get rid of Hamas let me know

Madison420 ,

That’s the dumbest argument you’ve made yet. Sure, they tell a wholely Captive population to move and in doing so they tell hamas where to follow. It’s lip service so dolts like you can pretend they aren’t actively committing genocide.

Bro again dumb argument, you say it’s the only option when obviously that’s statistically improbable. I’m not a military leader but you can guarangoddamntee the end all beat all option isn’t to fucking kill the hostage and hostage taker.

Rapidcreek ,

Again? The statement was that Israel didn’t care about civilians and I asked why they asked them to move. Hard to understand for your little brain?

Madison420 ,

Yes again dumb dumb.

You be said one dumb thing then another so “again” is an apt use.

They asked them to move so dumbfucks like you go “they asked them to move!” while ignoring the fact they have no where to move to and there isn’t anything stopping Hamas from moving with them hence your use of “human shield”.

You cannot be too fucking dumb to understand that, instead you’re just too far up your own ass to admit Israels excuse makes no goddamn sense.

Rapidcreek ,

Sure, there are always evil reasons in you addled mind. Conspiracy everywhere.

Madison420 ,

How the fuck is it not evil you fucking shitty shill?

CommanderM2192 ,

Okay then. What should Israel do? Nothing? Do you think nothing while they get bombarded with rockets by a genocidal adversary is acceptable? If your answer is anything along the lines of “two state solution”, well you’re about thirty years too late there. They tried and it was turned down by the Palestinians.

So, what should Israel do?

Madison420 ,

Same shitty argument.

Nothing?

Who the fuck side from you just now suggested that much? No one? Exactly.

Do you think nothing while they get bombarded with rockets by a genocidal adversary is acceptable?

Who are we talking about? Israel that’s been bombing buildings in occupied Palestine for years or the sporadic attacks from a resistance group that pale in comparison? Both are shitty but magnitude matters.

If your answer is anything along the lines of “two state solution”, well you’re about thirty years too late there.

I didn’t say that either, perhaps stop projecting?

They tried and it was turned down by the Palestinians.

Yes because it is and was occupied, I wouldn’t accept any offer from a nation with it’s boot on my neck and it’s hand in my pocket, nor would any other nation for that matter.

So, what should Israel do?

Act like a modern goddamn military, accept losses it’s a fucking war which also means 10,000 dead civilians is a fucking war crime. You seen to imply that Israel hasn’t trained to fight Hamas for the better part of three decades and trained to fight general military insurgencies since 1948 when they were the goddamn insurgency.

CommanderM2192 ,

How far back does your knowledge of history go? Ten days? Ten years? Is that it? This has been going on since before you were born, and we’ve got a historical record of who started it. Newsflash, it wasn’t Israel.

You’ve got to make a choice. Do you educate yourself to understand the long-term history of the land and which side has pursued peace when possible? Or are you just going to be a racist cunt for the rest of your life? I can’t make that choice for you. And just how it’s not Israel’s responsibility to sacrifice their lives for the lives of people who supported a genocidal regime, it’s not my job to shove your face into a book and get you to; know the truth.

Madison420 ,

It goes pretty far back but your idiotic point holds true for you as well.

The king George hotel bombing happened in 1946 to destroy the Palestinian embass which was committed by proto isrealis during their bombing and murder campaign.

You’re talking a lot of shit for being objectively wrong.

TheEighthDoctor ,

Okay then. What should Israel do? Nothing?

Yes /thread

CommanderM2192 ,

Yet another Tankie Mask Off Moment™️ , brought to you by Lemmy. Why are you tankies all so genocidal? Is that why you don’t speak up against the genocide of the Uighurs and other minorities by communist China?

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

I know that, but few other people seem to know that

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