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Hamas Official Mousa Abu Marzouk: The Tunnels In Gaza Were Built To Protect Hamas Fighters, Not Civilians; Protecting Gaza Civilians Is The Responsibility Of The U.N. And Israel

Mousa Abu Marzouk, a member of the Hamas Political Bureau said in an October 27, 2023 interview that aired on Russia Today TV that the tunnels in Gaza were built to protect Hams fighters from airstrikes, not civilians. He added that Hamas fights Israel from within the tunnels. Abu Marzouq added that since 75% of the residents in the Gaza Strip are refugees, it is the responsibility of the United Nations to protect them. He added that according to the Geneva Conventions, it is the responsibility of the “occupation” to provide civilians in Gaza “will all the services,” as long as they are under occupation.

Interviewer: “Many people are asking: Since you have built 500 kilometers of tunnels, why haven’t you built bomb shelters, where civilians can hide during bombardment?”

Mousa Abu Marzouk: “We have built the tunnels because we have no other way of protecting ourselves from being targeted and killed. These tunnels are meant to protect us from the airplanes. We are fighting from inside the tunnels. Everybody knows that 75% of the people in the Gaza Strip are refugees, and it is the responsibility of the United Nations to protect them. According to the Geneva Convention, it is the responsibility of the occupation to provide them with all the services as long as they are under occupation.”

downpunxx ,
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Hamas, lest anyone forget, is the elected government in Gaza, there has never been an uprising in Gaza, not because "Palestinians" are afraid of violence, but because Hamas is who "Palestinians" are, "Palestinians" are also the PLO, PIJ, Hezbollah, and a dozen other Antisemitic Mulsim Terrorist groups, The "Palestinians" have never attacked Hamas, but somehow find the courage to attacks Jews in Israel. The "Palestinian" community is of one mind, voice, and they act as one. But, I'm being told the poor poor "Palestianian" cinnamon rolls never did nothin wrong, never hurt nobody, are being abused by the bad bad Jews, that they're being "genocided" while over the last 70 years their numbers have swelled a hundred fold.

idoubledo ,

The nerve of this guy building tunnels under hospitals mosques and unwra facilities, violating every known act of war with the 7.10 massacre and then quoting international law.

Probably having expectations from a terrorist is the culprit, but how are so many people blind to this? How can anyone support them? This is not resistance to occupation, this is plain and simple jihad.

snek ,
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What does Jihad mean exactly?

Substance_P , (edited )

There are a few definitions but the west more often refers to the word as simply meaning “holy war”. In Arabic terms the word can be broken down into Greater, the Lesser and the intellectual, it gets a bit more complicated and simply the “holy war” translation does not fully capture the complexity and nuances of the term.

snek ,
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Thanks. Now what does Jihad mean in the comment made by the person I was replying to?

Substance_P ,

Probably just the “holy war” part, to be honest I didn’t understand where that sentence was going either.

snek ,
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Yeah, especially not “plain and simple Jihad” given that “plain and simple Jihad” in Islam actually means any war effort, including stuff like nursing the wounded, writing on social media, trying to pass UN resolutions, etc, basically anything anyone can do, not necessarily taking up arms. Not to mention the word Jihad in Arabic also means “strife”.

How can anyone support them? This is not resistance to occupation, this is plain and simple jihad.

Ah yes how can anyone support them, especially the Muslim population, when I’m right here telling them it’s JIHAD, which Muslims are not intellectually opposed to

(And just as a disclaimer, I’m an ex Muslim, not a Muslim)

idoubledo ,

“The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.”

Hamas charter, article 7

Jihad - as in call for religious war, unrelated to any land conflict.

snek ,
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I think that’s also an Islamic hadith

idoubledo ,

So?

snek ,
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Nothing, I just added a piece of information. It’s a sahih hadith meaning it’s considered authentic in Islamic texts. It’s some kind of end time prophecy.

idoubledo ,

So much for the religion of peace

snek ,
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The texts are awful, but most Muslims are alright (like any other group).

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

Uh... Just to clarify, this isn't an order; that part is rephrasing on the part of Hamas or a mistranslation (betting on a mistranslation because this particular construction's meaning is different in Arabic). Nobody's going around yelling "we should kill all Jews so the day of judgement comes".

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

As a Muslim I'm gonna mention that either Hamas's charter or the translation doesn't get the meaning across. This is a sign of the day of judgement, not a condition we have to fulfill. Nobody's going around saying "we have to kill Jews so the day of judgement comes", because reading the charter it might come across that way.

BraveSirZaphod ,
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I don't think it's wild to say that Hamas are not above selectively taking bits of religious texts and twisting them out of context in order to fit their own world view.

A non-trivial amount of evangelical Christians support Israel for the explicit purpose of fulfilling some end times prophecy in the Bible and triggering the return of Jesus (blissfully unaware that the Book of Revelations is a pretty thinly veiled analogy for the fall of Rome and not really an end times prophecy at all).

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

I don't think it's wild to say that Hamas are not above selectively taking bits of religious texts and twisting them out of context in order to fit their own world view.

Yeah Idk what Hamas's position is, just talking about Islam in general.

Yep, called it. Another guy went "religion of peace" up there.

snek ,
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Yeah I agree it’s more of a prophecy but some crazy people will go as far as trying to self-fulfill it. Most people don’t think they would be alive during these events. Otherwise Judaism and its followers are deemed “People of the Book” who have also found the truth like Muslims. At the same time, Islamic history is rife with conflicts with neighboring Jewish tribes. Everyone aside from Muslim followers themselves were opposed to the rise of Islam, including the Jewish tribe of Nani Quryda (and honestly they have a point, Muhammed was out to start a group that would be a new player in the region).

For Hamas, it’s a convenient piece of text that fits their own plight and narrative, but I think almost no one is seriously thinking that Israel is part of this end time prophecy. Israeli propaganda tries to show Hamas as a genocidal group, when the truth we may not like is that they are a resistance group, with questionable strategies and fairly so as with many other resistence group, and their ultimate goal is the liberation of their own country and not a Jewish genocide. If they are willing to hold fair elections in a Palestinian state after this, whatever it may be, then their goals end there. I’m Palestinian and I’m telling you that any attempt by Hamas to displace Israelis who have lived in Palestine for decades would be opposed by me and many others. Never again really means never again. The solution is justice in a fair state for all.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

This is not resistance to occupation, this is plain and simple jihad.

I don't think you know the meaning of Jihad...

Jaded , (edited )

Am I supposed to blame them for the civilian deaths and not the ones dropping bombs on hospitals, refugee camps and escape routes?

Doorbook ,

Why anyone expect them to build anything to save civilians if a supported US and UK militry are willing to destroy homes, hospitals, church, musques, schools, claiming they are used as a human shields?

They will also destroy and attack any form of bomb shelter and tunnels built to protect people claiming its human shields as well.

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