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2pt_perversion , (edited )

Not a democrat, not really a republican either. Mostly just crazy.

  • Supports Trump 2016
  • Supports anyone but Trump 2020 - Briefly likes Bernie but then mainly has a parasocial relationship with Tulsi Gabbard (offers to write speeches, sends speeches to their email). Eventually gets on board with Biden Harris.
  • Somehow likes Kim Jong Un, has another parasocial relationship inviting to Hawaii and asking to be an ambassador.
  • Latches onto George Floyd protests supporting police reform.
  • Latches onto Hong Kong supporting independence. Again reaching out to be a kind of diplomat in a parasocial relationship with Carrie Lam and including his phone number and email. He does that a lot.
  • Latches onto supporting Ukraine. Has a parasocial relationship with Zelenskyy. Goes there and volunteers to help recruit eventually but people thought he was nuts over there. Kept offering to provide thousands of Afghan soldiers?
  • Asks Elon Musk about selling him a rocket to attack Putin…
  • Latches onto Taiwan supporting independence. Again offering thousands of Afghan soldiers.
  • Writes a book telling Iran they should assassinate Trump.
  • Believes China has a pneumonia bioweapon it’s using to silence democracy
  • This election his dream ticket was Vivek Ramaswamy and Nikki Haley (and yet Ramaswamy is not pro Ukraine while Haley is so I’m not sure why he’d want Haley as the VP)

i.imgur.com/MU5PECk.png - here’s a png of some of the tweets he made

kn0wmad1c ,
@kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

His dream ticket was Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy. He was not a Democrat.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That too, but more importantly, he wasn’t a registered Democrat. Which is what makes you a Democrat.

Blueberrydreamer ,

That’s really a terrible way to make that assessment. I’m registered as a Republican in my state so I can vote in their primary, but that doesn’t reflect who I actually support.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

How do you think the parties count their numbers?

Blueberrydreamer ,

That’s moderately useful for statistics purposes, but that’s all. It does not mean every individual person who registers as Republican believes in Republican values and votes for Republicans. Nor is it a complete list, plenty of states don’t require registration for primaries so there are lots of people who don’t bother declaring either way.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Then how do you define whether or not someone is a Democrat? Because Hannity insists this guy is one.

rebelsimile , (edited )

I personally prefer the idea that democrats and republicans are elected party members and party officials and that voters are Americans, who can choose to support any of (or none of) these independent organizations. In the same way that I am not a Seattle Kraken.

(ETA: also, you can track a direct line of interest in treating politics like a team sport and what Hannity is trying to do, so literally as far away from that as you can get is what I’m talking about.)

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Then Hannity was lying. The assassin was not a Democrat.

rebelsimile ,

yeah I mean you could say that first sentence about anything 😃 but also yeah it’s increasingly uslessly reductive (other than to divide endlessly) to talk about individual Americans that way, in my opinion. I wish we’d stop. I think Hannity has a vested interest in promoting the idea that americans line up into two neat camps.

frunch ,

That would be inconvenient to Trump’s claims except that the truth doesn’t matter ¯_(ツ)_/¯

aeronmelon ,

Why does everyone in that picture look like they’re standing in front of fun house mirrors?

(I know what the obvious answer is, it just caught me off guard.)

Diva ,
@Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

The undecided voters this year have really been deciding with a vengeance

This latest guy having a ton of Ukraine posts is probably also part of them being like “he’s a democrat”- there’s even a picture of him with blue hair

Professorozone ,

Don’t be like Hannity. If you find yourself lying to support your view, change your view.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

But then how will I support my view that I’m the world’s greatest lover?

Hydra_Fk ,

I would maybe have believe “in Japan” squid Man, don’t be greedy.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That settles it. There’s only one way to prove this: take off your pants and bend over.

Hydra_Fk ,

Do I look like several salary men on a train with a funnel to you?

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

…yes?

Hydra_Fk ,

A great eye and all those soft tentacles what a catch you are. World’s greatest!

Cephalotrocity ,

Isn’t this new guy that was arrested a Democrat?

Records show Routh, 58, lived in North Carolina for most of his life before moving to Hawaii in 2018. In 2020, he made a social media post backing Trump’s reelection, but .

The first one wasn’t iirc so Hannity is full of it, but this attack has legs once they get the wording ‘right’. Assholes (Hannity + Assassin).

unexposedhazard ,

If the world were black and white then he would be a democrat. In actuality tho the new guy is a deranged and delluded self glorifying wreck of a weirdo. Read his/the incidendts wikipedia article.

Cephalotrocity ,

Okay, I see here he registered independent and expressed support for candidates of both parties this cycle. Still, his relevant support for Biden/Harris and that he recently donated money to the democratic party are what are going to give this accusation legs.

edit: recently

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Expressing support for Biden and Harris equals Democrat. You’ve heard it here first, folks!

Pictured- Democrat:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ff70e9e9-11ed-4358-971f-63974c0a2733.png

Cephalotrocity ,

He donated money to the Democratic party 19x since 2019

Edit: citation

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You in another comment:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bfc0e0f6-6171-49ea-915c-865e46eb6642.png

Is he a Democrat or a registered independent? Make up your mind.

Cephalotrocity ,

There is no ‘make up your mind’. There is only a building of evidence. Unless you’re willing to declare some objective standard for what everyone considers an ‘official Democrat’…

In the meantime, many people register into a party falsely to do things like manipulate primary votes and such. A common attack vector for the first would-be assassin as I recall. To say “he is or isn’t” is pretty much in the eye of the beholder and we’re discussing points undecideds will consider relevant.

My mind is currently leaning to ‘way too many people will think he is a Democrat for this to be good for Democrats’.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

This you?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/90758881-0d98-47cb-95c3-fcbf706d467b.png

So, can you answer your question? Your question was not about what people will think. Your question was whether or not he was a Democrat.

Is he a Democrat?

Cephalotrocity ,

I’m no longer as certain as I was, but 19 donations over 5 years is a strong argument making me think he is.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, one of those registered independent Democrats you hear oh so much about.

You going to bat for Hannity’s conspiracy bullshit is very telling.

Cephalotrocity ,

You going to bat for Hannity’s conspiracy bullshit is very telling.

As is your seeming inability to understand basic reasoning.

I’m curious why you think he isn’t being labelled as Independent right off the bat by news agencies if registering Independent solidifies you as such? What do you say about people that wear MAGA hats but registered Democratic to F with DNC nominations?

I’m not going to bat for Hannity. I’m saying we shouldn’t be so smug as to assume he’s wrong about this guy. More importantly, that undecideds will agree and not be turned off by an obvious bias towards a belief of Democratic purity. That is how you lose votes.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“Why aren’t the media being fair?” Really?

I’m not going to bat for Hannity. I’m saying we shouldn’t be so smug as to assume he’s wrong about this guy.

i.e. going to bat for him. The assassin was not a registered Democrat. That is what makes you a Democrat. He is not one. You are wrong and Hannity is wrong.

Cephalotrocity ,

What do you say about people that wear MAGA hats but registered Democratic to F with DNC nominations?

You forgot to answer this one.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If you’re registered as a Democrat, you’re a Democrat. That’s literally what makes you a member of the Democratic Party. So they’re Democrats that vote for Trump. They may not care for that and you may not care for that, but that’s literally how it works.

Just like Dick Cheney is a Republican that is voting for Harris. Dick Cheney is not a Democrat even if you really, really want him to be… or is this just your failure of understanding basic U.S. civics?

Cephalotrocity ,

You understand that by registering Independent he is eligible to vote in both party primaries in NC right? Talk about not understanding basic US civics. The dude that disavowed Trump and wanted Haley to beat him, and supported Sanders, Gabbard, Biden, and now Harris, is clearly voting 3rd party.

If you’re registered as a Democrat, you’re a Democrat.

BEHOLD! What Squid thinks is a Democrat!

https://biglemmowski.win/pictrs/image/83328aeb-3b81-4c9c-b76e-006352121f06.webp

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Please explain how the parties count their membership numbers.

Cephalotrocity ,

Nope. You’re back to childish name-calling so I’m out.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“Please explain how the parties count their membership numbers” is not namecalling.

Namecalling is against the rules here. If I was, indeed, namecalling, please flag the comment.

But I wasn’t so I’m not concerned that you’re using this silly excuse to get out of such a simple way of showing why your support for Hannity is nonsense.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Also, I “forgot” to answer that one, because you asked someone else.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/86dd17c0-c48f-43bc-94c4-a104dff856fb.png

What a bizarre thing to be dishonest about.

Cephalotrocity ,

I asked you first or do you not understand how math works? Calling me a liar when the numbers are right there. Talk about blatant dishonesty.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Please explain how the parties count their membership numbers.

Cephalotrocity ,

Please grow up and stop resorting to childish insults.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t insult you even if you want me to.

Also, you told a strange lie considering you just responded to me again:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/06ac6608-3a34-4987-b9a8-2e49573ee0b0.png

spankmonkey ,

Unless you’re willing to declare some objective standard for what everyone considers an ‘official Democrat’…

Registering as a Democrat makes someone an “official Democrat” since registering makes it official.

Cephalotrocity ,

And what do you say when they wear a MAGA hat and loudly state they only registered Democrat to F with primaries?

spankmonkey ,

That they are a traitor to the nation and should be ashamed, but they are officially a Democrat because of their registration. That is why they get to vote in the primary, because registering makes it official no matter what the reason is.

I am not registered for any party, and the fact that I end up always voting for candidates of one party does NOT make me an official member of that party.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

God damn, three hours later and they’re still insisting you’re a Democrat if you aren’t a registered Democrat and you aren’t if you are one.

Cephalotrocity ,

Nobody cares about whether the assassin was ‘officially a democrat’. They want to know who he supports: the democrats, or the republicans. In NC independents can participate in primaries btw and he likely did so intending to f with them.

If someone accused you of being pro-Trump and you said “I’m registered independent” do you think they’d be like ‘oh, nm carry on then’?

MrTomS ,

He is registered Unaffiliated in NC but did vote in the Democratic primary in March but for all we know it was a protest vote against Biden.

We do know he was coo-coo bananas and should not have had access to firearms.

OldWoodFrame ,

He voted for Trump. Not a ton of Democrats do that. Call me crazy but while I’d assume someone who ends up attempting assassination doesn’t like the person they attempt assassinating, that doesn’t mean they are automatically a member of the opposing political party. 1/3rd of Americans are independents.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s okay, they are “no longer as certain” as they were that this Trump-voting registered independent is a Democrat like the always reliable Sean Hannity says he is.

Cephalotrocity ,

He also loudly declared he regretted doing so. Both these looney tunes wanna-be assassins were all over the place with their political leanings. Blindly assuming he isn’t a democrat when things like 19 donations to the Democratic party strongly suggest otherwise is myopic.

kn0wmad1c ,
@kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

His dream ticket was Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy. He was not a Democrat.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

FFS they’re doubling down on Hannity being right. Apparently you don’t have to be a Democrat to be a Democrat.

MeekerThanBeaker ,

Looks like that that dumbass Hannity forgot his tie and acted like an idiot again.

What an idiotic dumbass!

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