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NYPD shot four people - including two bystanders one who is in critical condition - and another cop over a $2.90 fare.

Police opened fire on a subway platform in Brooklyn during a confrontation with an alleged fare-beater, striking the man cops said was armed with a knife, two straphangers caught in the fray, and one of the firing officers, NYPD officials said Sunday.

One of those two passengers hit by the cops’ bullets, a 49-year-old man, was hospitalized in critical condition after he was hit struck in the head, according to the NYPD.

The two officers who opened fire were assigned to patrol the Sutter Avenue subway stop in the 73rd precinct when they spotted a man skip the station turnstile and walk through an open gate toward the train platform, Chief of Department Jeffrey Maddrey explained at an evening press conference from Brookdale Hospital.

damnedfurry , (edited )

[Chief] Maddrey said during a verbal altercation, they “became aware of a knife.” Body-worn camera footage, which Maddrey said he reviewed before the press conference, allegedly showed the man make a verbal threat to the officers. He told the cops, “I’m going to kill you if you don’t stop following me,” the chief said. As the encounter continued to escalate, a northbound L train pulled into the station. The train cars opened and the man jumped inside, according to police. Maddrey said the officers followed the man, each firing a Taser which proved ineffective in subduing the man. He then exited the train while it was still at the station and charged the officers with the knife, the chief said.

Cops clearly did nothing wrong in shooting at a guy charging at them with a knife–anyone would be justified in doing so, cop or not. Bystander injuries are on the aggressor’s hands.

Also:

Mayor Eric Adams, who also attended the briefing, described the knife-wielding man as a “career criminal” with over 20 arrests.

Shhhhhhhhhhhocking!

UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Bystander injuries are on the aggressor’s hands.

Excited to see the NYPD press b charges on the turnstile jumper for the cop who shot the other cop.

dubyakay ,

USA is the only shit hole in the world where you can get shot for fare evasion.

capital ,

the man cops said was armed with a knife

Title is meant to make you believe the shooting is about the fare. That seems deliberate.

damnedfurry ,

Sure is: “shot over a $2.90 fare” is literally a lie.

trashgirlfriend ,

Yeah, they shot at him because he threatened them, but he was also not a threat to them and actively getting away from them

They then opened fire in a crowded area, and one of them managed to shoot the other in the armpit.

They also don’t mention him brandishing the knife at any point, the article just says they were “made aware” of a knife, which could mean fucking anything.

thermal_shock , (edited )

still worth shooting two innocent people? can’t radio his description? was he “armed” or did he use it? huge distinction there. I’m always “armed” with my pocket knife, should I start dodging bullets? was he being pursued for a crime?

also, without video the cops are lying by default. can’t trust a cop to do the right thing ever.

capital , (edited )

I’m always “armed” with my pocket knife, should I start dodging bullets?

Would you pull it without being specifically asked to in a police encounter? Don’t be obtuse. (Edit: And say you’ll kill them)

I have no problem waiting for a video to decide on this one, personally. But the title is dogshit.

2nd edit: Here’s another source which has a still of the video, showing the knife.

I conceal carry. Believe it or not, I would inform police that I’m carrying as soon as an encounter starts, tell them where it is on my person, and ask if they would like to see my CCW license. But I’m not a fucking idiot, so…

thermal_shock ,

I agree with all your points, I just don’t trust police at all. it’s been repeatedly proven they will lie and jam you up, and they have too much power. their word means shit to me, video, or at least audio of it happening, even a legit witness, or they are lying off the bat.

I was even recently pulled over by a cop in an unmarked car saying I cut him off. he didn’t pull me over until I flipped him off for blaring his horn at me. he reversed on the highway to follow me off the exit and still didn’t put on lights, he was a road rager to me at that point and was ready to defend myself, I carry CCW also. he pulled up to my driver’s side and yelled at me from the other lane, no indication at all it was a traffic stop, so I told him to fuck off, didn’t care or know that he was police.

when he followed me into the parking lot, he finally put on lights. I got out recording, dashcam going as well. I repeatedly tell him if he’s a real cop to get someone else there now, I didn’t give him my id, just kept telling him to give me a ticket or fuck off. kept telling him he was butthurt over the middle finger, if I was really guilty of cutting him off, he should have pulled me over when I got in front of him, not after I flipped him off. I must have told him to fuck off and fuck your mom 10 times. I wasn’t having any of his shit.

another unit arrives with a ticket book, and he lied on the ticket, put some charge that was “reckless driving” about not coming to a stop before entering a highway, which was complete bullshit. I go to court, present dashcam of me making a safe lane change with blinker and space, judge is like wtf is this charge? immediately dismissed it, literally 2 min from calling my name.

cop accosts me outside the courtroom and still tries to tell me I’m wrong, admitting that he gets run off the road all the time. he’s a shitty driver, claims he didn’t see my blinker (no dashcam on his vehicle of course) and really pulled me over for hurt feelings. fuck him.

point is, I would have had reckless driving on my record had I not defended myself over this shitty cop. before the court date, I was looking at the exact citation and was driving myself crazy trying to figure out how that applied to what actually happened. luckily the judge saw and it was just as confused when he read it out loud. I fucking hate cops if you can’t tell.

Xatolos ,
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Problem is, the knife can’t be found. So all we have are the polices word that there was a knife.

aaaaace ,

NYPD: The dumbest kid from every high school on Long Island.

5oap10116 , (edited )

I’m in Suffolk and can confirm. Kid got a 680/2400 on the SAT. Not that the SAT is a great intelligence test but damn.

istanbullu ,

How incompetent do you have to be to shoot a bystander?

UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

When aiming into a crowd of people? You’d have to be an exceptional marksman to hit your target. Of course, there’s the question of why you’re firing into a crowd to begin with.

GetOffMyLan , (edited )

This is obviously fucked up. But they are clearly intentionally downplaying that he pulled a knife when stopped. He wasn’t shot for the fair lol

Samvega ,

But they are clearly intentionally downplaying that he pulled a knife

The subtitle: “NYPD brass said the alleged fare-beater had charged at the officers with a knife…”

Maybe your reading comprehension is indicated by your use of “He wasn’t shot for the fair [sic] lol”.

GetOffMyLan ,

Not sure reading comprehension is tied to typos on a mobile. I was referring to the title of the post. No need to be rude friend.

exanime ,

That or they are holding for evidence as cops seem to lie all the fucking time

tiefling , (edited )

NYPD goes HARD on toll jumpers, but there’s virtually zero enforcement on traffic and cars. Everywhere I go I see assholes with illegally modified vehicles, degenerates speeding down shoulders, motorcycles on crowded sidewalks and pedestrian paths, and too many drunk drivers to count. There are so many cases where one pig parked on the shoulder during rush hour would fund the city budget for a year.

Instead we get whole families of pigs loitering by the turnstiles

UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

The NYPD also loves to go after jaywalkers and vagrants, particularly when they’re interfering with the flow of street traffic.

Cars are King, baby.

Gimpydude ,

I totally agree about the vagrancy thing. I have never seen nor heard of anyone in NYC getting a ticket for jaywalking but I only lived there for 50 years.

UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I have never seen nor heard of anyone in NYC getting a ticket for jaywalking

I had a friend who got grabbed by a police officer and thrown against a wall by a NYPD officer, then arrested on the spot, for crossing outside of a designated crosswalk.

But that was during OWS, so maybe a few other political winds were involved.

xmunk ,

Fuck cars!

RamblingPanda ,

Easy friend. That’s for dragons.

xmunk ,

Sigh… nobody has brought over that community yet.

dubyakay ,

Dragons fucking cars? Or cars fucking dragons?

Harvey656 ,

Yes.

Moneo ,

Apparently we’re calling commuters “straphangers” now too. I wonder if the NYPD will shoot at speeding wheelgrippers next.

Gimpydude ,

The subways used to have straps on the bars to hold on to during the ride. They’ve been called straphangers for a very long time. In the 80’s one of my brothers was part of the Straphangers Campaign.

Cheems ,
@Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

Clearly that’s where the money is. $2.90 goes hard

Maggoty ,

Who drives and who uses the subway.

That’s your answer.

masterspace ,

I mean according to the article, technically they just tried to stop him over the $2.90 fare.

Then because of that he threatened to kill them and they realized he had a knife so they tasered him.

Then when that didn’t work and he ran at them with the knife they opened fire.

Multiple people are still dead because they brought guns into a disagreement over $2.90, but the headline implies a lot more unreasonableness on the individual cops’ parts as opposed to the overall policy.

UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Then because of that he threatened to kill them

They claim he made a threat. The article failed to print his side of the story for some curious reason. It isn’t printing any testimony from the bystanders, either.

Multiple people are still dead because they brought guns into a disagreement over $2.90, but the headline implies a lot more unreasonableness on the individual cops’ parts as opposed to the overall policy.

Cops will often lie about the danger of a suspect in order to justify elevating their use-of-force. That said, they weren’t that concerned by his unreasonableness when they deployed tasers into the crowd first. They didn’t switch to guns until they realized the tasers weren’t going to work.

masterspace ,

They claim he made a threat. The article failed to print his side of the story for some curious reason. It isn’t printing any testimony from the bystanders, either.

Fair enough, supposedly they were wearing body cams so hopefully some of what actually happened can be answered objectively, I’m just pointing out what the article said. If he didn’t make a threat or have a knife, then tasering him is a wild escalation, it’s just that if he did, then the police can’t really just let him get on a train.

Cops will often lie about the danger of a suspect in order to justify elevating their use-of-force. That said, they weren’t that concerned by his unreasonableness when they deployed tasers into the crowd first. They didn’t switch to guns until they realized the tasers weren’t going to work.

Again, assuming what the article says is true, which is a big assumption, it’s not that crazy to taser a guy who just got onto a train with a knife and threatened to you. At that point you’re looking at a potential mass stabbing incident if you do nothing.

Again, who knows, maybe the cops are blowing his behaviour wildly out of proportion, I’m just saying that, based on the article, it sounds like he wasn’t just gunned down for jumping a turnstile.

UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

the police can’t really just let him get on a train

If they had, three people would have avoided bullet wounds and one of them wouldn’t be in the ER right now.

it’s not that crazy to taser a guy who just got onto a train

If you’ve ever ridden the subway in NYC, particularly during rush hour, the idea of firing a taser into a train full of people is absolutely crazy.

masterspace , (edited )

If they had, three people would have avoided bullet wounds and one of them wouldn’t be in the ER right now.

And maybe a bunch of people would have been stabbed by the guy with a knife who just threatened to kill someone.

If you’ve ever ridden the subway in NYC, particularly during rush hour, the idea of firing a taser into a train full of people is absolutely crazy.

Again, they could be lying about the knife and the threat, but if he did have a knife and just threaten to kill someone it would be absolutely crazy to let him get on a subway train full of people.

Garbanzo ,

At that point you’re looking at a potential mass stabbing incident

At which point the NYPD will hide because that’s scary

masterspace ,

I mean, this is arguably what them not hiding looks like.

Tar_alcaran , (edited )

Then because of that he threatened to kill them and they realized he had a knife so they tasered him.

Then when that didn’t work and he ran at them with the knife they opened fire.

Is the version of what’s the killers are saying. I’ll believe it when I see the camera footage. Good thing they have bodycams, so they can instantly prove their story.

whotookkarl ,
@whotookkarl@lemmy.world avatar

Why hasn’t the city released the full body cam footage?

Thebeardedsinglemalt ,

They used more money in ammunition than the amount of money the shootout started over!

UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Evidence of why the “Chris Rock solves gun crime” strategy won’t work.

Thebeardedsinglemalt ,

Chris Rock solves gun crime

Make bullets cost $5000 a piece!

trashgirlfriend ,

A corp strats

catloaf ,

Just having them there on detail probably costs more than they recover from fare evaders.

damnedfurry ,

They shot because the guy charged at them with a knife, not because of the fare. OP’s thread title is deliberately misleading, in a desperate attempt to twist this into ACAB fuel.

Maggoty ,

Unless you have evidence of that, stop spreading it.

Nuke_the_whales ,

I hope the cop that got shot is hurting. Stupid fucks

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

Definitely sitting at home, getting paid leave and talking to his union provided lawyer and was told not to say anything by his coworkers who didn’t arrest him for shooting multiple people.

NatakuNox ,
@NatakuNox@lemmy.world avatar

Meanwhile corporations steal billions through white collar crime and the police do nothing. Nearly all blue collar crime is due to poverty and white collar crime creates more poverty. If police really wanted to stop crime they’d be pouring over corporations accounting to find the stolen money.

UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

If police really wanted to stop crime they’d be pouring over corporations accounting to find the stolen money.

Sounds like dirty authoritarian big government communism to me.

ravhall ,

Another mass shooting

Grimy ,

Schrodingers pig.

The cop shot an innocent bystander in the head but also shot another cop. Until trial, he is both a bad guy with a gun and a good guy with a gun.

Garbanzo ,

Are the NYPD still carrying guns with a 12 pound trigger pull? Why can’t they aim for shit?

ByteOnBikes ,

How much would this criminal get away with?

Roughly $3.00.

The only message I got was cops are unhinged.

Samvega ,

“$3 is more important than innocent lives. We must set an example.”

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