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Ghostalmedia , (edited )
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

His older model at 538 has things tighter with the coin toss slightly weighted toward Harris.

…fivethirtyeight.com/trump-harris-2024-election-m…

Whether it’s 55/45 or 65/35, we’re still basically talking about the same thing. This race is neck and neck, and whoever gets the turnout edge will win. We’re talking about fractions of percents that are at play, which is why these odd are a coin toss.

Edit: it looks like 538’s model is new, and Silver doesn’t like it or the guy behind it.

natesilver.net/…/why-i-dont-buy-538s-new-election

alilbee ,

Different model, same website. Silver got to keep his model and took it elsewhere after departing from 538.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

TIL. I thought they forked it. I didn’t realize 538’s was all new.

SquishyPandaDev ,
@SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net avatar

Abolish the Electoral Collage.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein ,

This is what we should’ve spent every waking moment doing since 2016. Why do we distract so easily…

zabadoh ,

Or Electoral College even.

I would like to see what an Electoral Collage looks like.

GlassHalfHopeful ,
@GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca avatar

Who is this guy and how serious should we take this information? This is by far the highest number I’ve seen for Trump so far.

Zaktor ,

Who is Nate Silver? Really?

IAmTheZeke ,

Hey man there is a mountain of people who don’t know things and are scared to ask. learning is always a good thing

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar
Zaktor , (edited )

Social media isn’t a search engine. If an article is referring to someone by name in the title, they almost certainly have a Wikipedia page the questioner could read rather than requesting random strangers on a message board provide answers for them (in the form of multiple answers of varying bias and accuracy).

Wanting to learn isn’t the problem, it’s not spending the tiniest bit of personal effort before requesting service from other people.

Tarball ,

Their models have been really accurate for the last several election cycles. They’re part of fivethirtyeight.com

billiam0202 ,

No, Nate is not part of 538 anymore. He now works for a crypto betting website partly owned by Peter Thiel.

I’ll let you decide how neutral that makes him.

DogPeePoo ,

Peter Thiel, the same guy who sold Republicans on JD the couch fucker Vance

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

He’s a degen gambler who admits in his book he was gambling up to $10k a day while running 538… It never made him go “huh maybe I fucked my employees because I’m a degen gambler.”

Bubs12 ,

Nate is not with 538 anymore. Disney didn’t renew his contract. However, he got to keep the model that he developed and publishes it for his newsletter subscribers. 538 had to rebuild their model from scratch this year with G Elliot Morris.

Now Nate hosts the podcast Risky Business with Maria Konnikova. The psychologist who became a professional poker player while researching a book. It’s pretty good.

BlameThePeacock ,

He’s quite a well known pollster. Up until recently he was responsible for Five Thirty Eight, but it got sold and he left.

He got the 2016 election wrong (71 Hilary, 28 trump) He got the 2020 election right (89 Biden, 10 Trump)

Right and wrong are the incorrect terms here, but you get what I mean.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

He didn’t get it wrong. He said the Clinton Trump election was a tight horse race, and Trump had one side of a four sided die.

The state by state data wasn’t far off.

Problem is, people don’t understand statistics.

FlowVoid , (edited )

If someone said Trump had over a 50% probability of winning in 2016, would that be wrong?

IAmTheZeke ,

Polling guru Nate Silver and his election prediction model gave Donald Trump a 63.8% chance of winning the electoral college in an update to his latest election forecast on Sunday, after a NYT-Siena College poll found Donald Trump leading Vice President Kamala Harris by 1 percentage point.

He’s just a guy analizing the polls. The source is Fox News. He mentions in the article that tomorrow’s debate could make that poll not matter.

Should you trust Nate or polls? They’re fun but… Who is answering these polls? Who wants to answer them before even October?

So yeah take it seriously that a poll found that a lot of support for Trump exists. But it’s just a moment of time for whoever they polled. Tomorrow’s response will be a much better indication of any momentum.

GlassHalfHopeful ,
@GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca avatar

It just seems strange because I don’t think that many people are on the fence. Perhaps I’m crazy, but I feel most people know exactly who they’re voting for already. Makes me wonder how valid this cross-section was that was used as the sample set. If it accurately represents the US, including undecided voters, then… 😮

randon31415 ,

but I feel most people know exactly who they’re voting for already

The cross-section of people you know are more politically off the fence than the entire nation. Those that aren’t online at all are also more undecided and less likely to interact with you.

someguy3 ,

I listen to those news things that interview people on the street and I’m amazed at how many are uninformed and can go either way.

zabadoh ,

There’s a Trump undercount in polling: Trump voters don’t trust “MSM” and therefore don’t answer calls from pollsters, or are embarrassed to admit they will vote for him.

Same goes for asking random people on the street.

someguy3 ,

There’s also an undercount of young people who don’t answer the phone.

actually ,

I don’t know many people (boomers and younger) who answer the phone from numbers they do not recognize. I would like to imagine that the people who do answer strange numbers tend to be out of touch. Bias in the polls to fools or the lucky who are not spammed ?

Rhaedas ,

The key to doing statistics well is to make sure you aren't changing the results with any bias. This means enough samples, a good selection of samples, and weighing the outcome correctly. Even honest polling in pre-election is hard to get right, and because of that it's easy to make things lean towards results if you want to get certain results, or or getting paid to get those results.

There's only one poll that matters, and that poll should include as large of a sample as possible, and be counted correctly. Even though some will try to prevent that from happening.

SpaceNoodle ,

He’s renowned for being wrong for several previous elections

xmunk ,

Just a reminder to not be complacent.

BlameThePeacock ,

Here’s hoping Trump pulls a Biden tomorrow.

ChonkyOwlbear ,

Or a James Earl Jones. I’m not picky.

taxon ,

Too Soon! (I just read about JEJ)

AmidFuror ,

Too soon.

SpaceNoodle ,

For once, it might actually be too soon.

NegativeInf ,

Sad about JEJ. But maybe a rule of 3s that takes out Trump wouldn’t be the worst outcome.

cmbabul ,

I’m almost certain JEJ would be happy to take the bastard out with him

homesweethomeMrL ,
Whirlygirl9 ,

Oh god, this is how I find out!!!!!

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