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Most US voters say plastics industry should be held responsible for recycling claims – report

Even a majority of Republicans support efforts to hold manufacturers accountable for allegedly deceptive claims

Concern about the fossil fuel and plastics industries’ alleged deception about recycling is growing, with new polling showing a majority of American voters, including 54% of Republicans, support legal efforts to hold the sectors accountable.

The industries have faced increasing scrutiny for their role in the global plastics pollution crisis, including an ongoing California investigation and dozens of suits filed over the last decade against consumer brands that sell plastics.

Research published earlier this year found that plastic producers have known for decades that plastic recycling is too cumbersome and expensive to ever become a feasible waste management solution, but promoted it to the public anyway.

TransplantedSconie ,

But the Republicans are going to vote for the guy who will sell them down the river Jan 20st 2025.

Fucking.

Morons.

Badeendje ,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

All companies should be required to recycle their own products. No… not via contracts with 3rd parties. Products go back up through the sales channels untill they reach the manufacturers.

If you don’t have an idea how your products end of life works, you cannot sell or manufacture it.

Solves e-waste, plastic, chemicals… a lot of the god awful stuff.

ByteOnBikes ,

Remember in the 70s when the cigarette industry said their products were safe?

Remember in the 80s when the candy industry said it was the lack of exercise that was the cause of overweight?

Remember in the 90s when the gun industry pointed the blame to personal responsibility as the cause of school shootings?

Maybe just maybe industries can’t self regulate. I can go on.

Buddahriffic ,

Whistleblowers should be treated like heroes. Like not just protections where the reward is that they get to keep their job working for a company that is probably going to feel hostile towards them, but reward them so that they don’t need to work with that company anymore.

Publically funded science (done in the interest of the public rather than profit for universities or publishers) should also be ramped up so that it has the resources to examine these questions, too.

Also, criminal charges for execs that suppress information that prefers profits over safety.

phoenixz , (edited )

The CTO of the previous company (1000+ employees , multinational) where I worked as an exec right under the CTO had a habit of not being able to keep his hands to himself. He was married but had a taste for men working under him.

Hed beeen around pulling shit for months until i was called in, i met him in person, he immediately started to “just tickle” me, and I reported his ass right away. Internal investigations were had and they fired him.

But not after allowing him as his final act to fire me because I was “not management material”, had nothing to do with me blowing the whistle on him feeling up his employees. The company allowed him to do this because i was now a risk to them.

So the lesson here is to keep your head down, enable abusers, lest you want your career in the shitter

Edit: I fully agree with you, but the way it currently stands it’s impossible to fight back to high level execs

phoenixz ,

Pretty sure all those industries continue doing all that shit today

FireTower ,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

Legislation on packaging should really be entertained as well. For many products a biodegradable form of packaging would be completely viable.

Stovetop ,

Impossible, the only appropriate package for our premium scissors is comparably premium clamshell plastic. That you need scissors to open.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6c19094c-6044-4611-b499-1fc5e9330561.webp

TotalFat ,

Imagine if they sold can openers inside sealed tin cans… And not the kind with the pull tab.

almost1337 ,

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oxjox ,
@oxjox@lemmy.ml avatar

I would sooner hold out local municipalities who run the recycling centers and our investigative news agencies for not clearly informing the public that recycling plastic has not been the ecological solution we’ve been promised.

I mean, sure, the plastic producers lied but the recyclers have known about it this entire time too. How this has been such a secret for decades may suggest some deeper conspiracy.

And, if it’s the case that our governments were genuinely unable to know this was an issue, we should be more critical of them for not knowing what other outside agencies are fooling them into using tax-payer dollars against our best interests.

iltoroargento , (edited )
@iltoroargento@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

The plastic producers were the ones pushing the grift and controlling the narrative/studies, just like what was done with fossil fuels and climate change (certainly a trend here with the oil industry).

Additionally, they’re the ones that directly benefitted the most so it makes sense to go after their fraudulent gains.

I’m all for being critical of municipalities and elected officials, but the solution is not to bankrupt cities or state/federal funds through litigation. The focus should be on the producers. Go to the top of the chain/follow the money.

Edit: To your point about news conglomerates, that seems more viable and they certainly need better incentives and regulation.

oxjox ,
@oxjox@lemmy.ml avatar

Dude. It’s been 40 years.

I didn’t say news conglomerates. I said investigative news agencies - meaning the local news.

At some point over the past forty years, someone in government and someone at a local news paper has known there was a conspiracy. These people need to be held accountable. They’re the ones who have cost tax payers hundreds of millions of dollars.

Granted, I may be giving too much credit to local government. I don’t think most voters in the country care very much about electing people smart enough to put two and two together.

What I have such a hard time with is that people like yourself are so quick to excuse gullibility. The big powerful plastic company promised us it would be okay. Why would anyone dare question them or their motives? The fossil fuel company certainly has the public and the environment at their best interests. So many people are so quick to shrug and say “not my fault”. Did you even attempt to ask questions or were you afraid that knowing the truth would be bad for your administration?

irotsoma ,
@irotsoma@lemmy.world avatar

Seattle doesn’t even accept plastics for recycling, only certain things for cleaning and reuse. They could do a better job in informing the public about it, though, since all of the products still stamp on the recycling symbols, most of which have never been actually recycled.

Also, decades of telling people to separate plastics for recycling into separate plastic types, like lids separate from bottles, undermines reuse because the bottles then get crushed without the lid to keep air inside. And crushing usually damages them too much to be cleaned and reused.

oxjox ,
@oxjox@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah. Our city published the recycling restrictions on their website but people still put out stuff that’s not able to be recycled. Specifically, wet or greasy cardboard. They should send out flyers every year.

irotsoma ,
@irotsoma@lemmy.world avatar

And they should educate in schools like they did in the 80s/90s when I was a kid, but give the real information. But without the plastics companies paying for that, it’s unlikely. Schools barely have enough money for the basics.

Badeendje ,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

That has to do with fuckery around the term recycling. What normal people have been led to believe is only a very narrow definition of recycling and not what happens in most cases. Burning plastic is considered recycling as the waste is recycled into fuel.

Same with renewable energy… sure the trees you chip down and burn can be regrown… but that is not what people are led to believe is what they are being sold.

This is not on the local municipalities. They where saddled with waste and had to deal with it, they did as good as they could. And many people have been yelling about this since before 2000… It was just ignored untill microplastic where found in the balls and brain.

This along with big oil needs to be dragged infront of a tribunal and higher-ups from the last 40 years need to be held to account. We have room in the Hague.

oxjox ,
@oxjox@lemmy.ml avatar

They where saddled with waste and had to deal with it, they did as good as they could.

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