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Musk's Starlink backtracks and says it will comply with judge's order to block X in Brazil

SAO PAULO (AP) — Elon Musk’s satellite-based internet service provider Starlink backtracked Tuesday and said it will comply with a Brazilian Supreme Court justice’s order to block the billionaire’s social media platform, X.

Starlink said in a statement posted on X that it will heed Justice Alexandre de Moraes’ order despite him having frozen the company’s assets. Previously, it informally told the telecommunications regulator that it would not comply until de Moraes reversed course.

“Regardless of the illegal treatment of Starlink in freezing our assets, we are complying with the order to block access to X in Brazil,” the company statement said. “We continue to pursue all legal avenues, as are others who agree that @alexandre’s recent order violate the Brazilian constitution.”

ravhall ,

The one time I’ll side with musk: it’s in the fucking sky! You can’t block it! It’s not anyone’s jurisdiction.

breakingcups ,

What a dumb take. They are partaking in the Brazilian economy, are they not? They are accepting payment from Brazilians, providing them with telecommunication services. Distributing terminals. Do you think telecom operators should just have the option to completely ignore the local laws if one aspect of their business crosses an international border?

ravhall ,

In the case of providing unblocked internet to the masses? Yes. No government has the right to cut people off from news they aren’t able to suppress.

Do you think a government should have the right to block its citizens from information? This isn’t China we’re talking about, although at this rate there will be a Great Firewall of Brazil in no time.

mycodesucks ,
@mycodesucks@lemmy.world avatar

The government absolutely has the right to cut people off of certain information. If you disagree, try to share some classified secrets, or some child porn and see how well it goes down. The disagreement here is on where the line is drawn on what information falls under that umbrella, and as a sovereign democratic nation, that is Brazil’s call to make, not musk’s or yours. You might have an argument if this was a dictatorship/one party state, but it is not. Still, I’m sure you were equally vocal when Musk was censoring for those.

ravhall ,

Doesn’t sound very democratic, but that word gets misused pretty often. Agree to disagree.

mycodesucks ,
@mycodesucks@lemmy.world avatar

Democratic doesn’t mean libertarian. Democratic means that everyone gets a voice in deciding the direction things go. The people made their choice at the ballot box, and that was Lula, and Lula seems to be on board with the court’s decision and isn’t inclined to push legislation or executive action to change it. If people decide they don’t like the decision that’s been made, their government will adjust or it will be replaced by another at the ballot box. That’s exactly how it’s supposed to work.

ravhall ,

“Supposed to work”

You’re correct—but…

mycodesucks ,
@mycodesucks@lemmy.world avatar

Sure, it’s not as neat and clean as that and I acknowledge that, but at the end of the day, a tautological approach to either free speech or censorship is detrimental in either direction. Worries about censorship going too far ARE justified, but there ARE situations where it is necessary, and more exacting and precise public discussions about and decisions on what is fair game for censorship and what isn’t is the solution, not the understandably visceral reaction to censorship in general.

Aceticon ,

“Your rights stop were other people’s rights start” is Democracy.

The concept you have in mind were some people’s rights are endless and unhindered by other people’s rights - in other words, are supreme - is called Authoritarianism.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry… you think the democratic thing would be to legalize child porn?

Willy ,

isp’s and even governments should not be in charge of censoring content. child porn and state secrets and even twitter can be illegal without forcing an isp to censor peoples internet. for years I’ve seen lemmy and reddit fight for net neutrality and common carrier status, but as soon as elon is involved the hate boner takes over. lemmy is so weird.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

How exactly do you take down child porn without censoring it?

Tobberone ,

Had blocking news and access to information been in the cards, as you describe, there would be another discussion. This is not it. The closest this comes is to block a linkaggregator. One that has been deemed to violate the laws in its area of business and being reluctant to take steps to rectify the situation.

This being the supreme court doing it does bring up the question of democratic decision making, which famiously has been proven by other countries recently. Although they also gave their president the power to remove themselves from office, if I’ve understood that particular debacle correctly.

twistypencil ,

That isn’t what is happening here. To do that the government of Brazil would have to block all internet providers to keep them from accessing need and information

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

providing unblocked internet to the masses

Ask Ukraine about that supposedly unblocked access.

But that’s okay because Elon decided he was stopping Ukraine from being defeated by… sinking all of Russia’s ships.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

it’s in the fucking sky! You can’t block it! It’s not anyone’s jurisdiction.

You would find that all countries’ telecom and aerospace authorities disagree with this argument

r00ty Admin ,
r00ty avatar

Because, starlink and their investors probably want users in Brazil to be able to pay them for using the service. And, you know without the government's support that would likely become a problem.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Things that are in the sky:

✅️ satellites ❌️ users ❌️ employees ❌️ company ❌️ offices ❌️ lawyers ❌️ money

trevor ,

That’s a bummer. I was hoping EU countries would be inspired by Brazil to actually enforce some of their laws and ban Twitter as well.

vxx ,

Am I missing something? twitter is still blocked in brasil. The article is about starlink caving in and blocking it as well for brasilian users.

EU might still block them once they decided he doesn’t comply with the law, and fines didn’t help.

some_guy ,

Glad he got bitch-slapped on this one.

JeeBaiChow ,

Typical. Send the lawyers first to intimidate. Then get told you have no case. Then walk back tail between legs.

breakingcups ,

All while loudly mouthing off

BeatTakeshi ,
@BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world avatar

Hey happy Lemmy bday! Nice little cake!

uienia ,

Sounds a bit like how he ended up with twitter in the first place

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I love that he is so stupid that he didn’t realize he could back out of a legality by saying, “LOL JK.”

N0body ,

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

ravhall ,

As someone who had a plan until I got hit in the face, I agree.

Samvega ,

My plan was to get punched in the face!!! Yet again, I am ahead of the curve!!!

ravhall ,

If they swing first, it’s self defense. Good plan.

SpaceNoodle ,

Great plan, Face McPunchy

Reverendender ,

We’re supposed to have plans?!

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Some people plan to get punched in the face. Don’t kink shame.

phoneymouse ,

Elon Musk is picking fights with everyone these days.

Thrillhouse ,

I wonder when he’ll go to rehab. He’s so unhinged.

buttfarts ,

He’s testing the limits of “fuck you” money expect “you” are national governments

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Everyone except fascists

Icalasari ,

How long until Elon throws a fit and fires people at Starlink until they ignore judge's orders?

winterayars ,

I’m guessing the Starlink investors had a chat with him about a potential breach of fiduciary duty lawsuit. That’s a stupid concept but Musk isn’t going to win if he deep sixes Starlink for his petty vendetta.

Icalasari ,

Eh, still feels like a good chance he'd let his ego get in the way of sanity

winterayars ,

Oh i’m sure he argued with them. Starlink didn’t back down right away, after all…

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Dude finally found an immovable object outside of US.

PugJesus ,

Pussy. Go on, Elon. Make your companies play chicken with a national government. I’m sure every other national government out there will definitely back you up, because making a company above the law (without paying the requisite bribes) is DEFINITELY something that national governments want to normalize!

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