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Teacher says contract wasn't renewed because he wouldn't use trans students' preferred names

The Wisconsin English teacher, Jordan Cernek, argues in the suit that the district violated his freedom of religion and free speech in mandating the use of the students’ preferred names and pronouns.

A high school English teacher is suing a Wisconsin school district, alleging it did not renew his contract last year because he refused to use the preferred names of two transgender students.

Jordan Cernek’s federal lawsuit alleges the Argyle School District violated his constitutional and civil rights to be free of religious discrimination and to be able to express himself according to his religious beliefs when it did not renew his contract because he refused to abide by a requirement that teachers use the names or pronouns requested by students.

SeaJ ,

What religion requires you to use someone’s birth name? It can’t be Christianity since people always go around calling that one dude Jesus when his birth name was Yeshua.

Exusia ,
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

Man how hard it must be to suck it up, and just do something you don’t agree with because your job said to. What a fucking child of an adult.

This isn’t a new debate, he chose to work in a field where he was gonna be asked to do this eventually. I have to call people “valued customers” all day and don’t agree with it, I don’t see how this is any harder for him to adapt to in his field. (Not that pronoun requests are frivolous and dumb, they’re easy to just…do)

alienanimals ,

Someone should start going by the name, “I owe you 5 dollars”. It’s a fool-proof way to get rich quick.

Zahille7 ,

Idk man. When I was in school before everyone started coming out as trans and such, all my teachers would still ask if there was a different name you preferred on like the first day of school. And they suck to it. It didn’t matter if the student was gay, straight, trans, or whatever; they still had a preferred name they liked to be called by, the teachers asked, and they respected it. I’d like to think those teachers of mine would continue this practice and not have an issue with it, but you never really know.

Ilovemyirishtemper ,

Whelp, Walker neutered our teachers’ unions, and the conservatives pushed for being a right to work state, so here are some unexpected consequences of that. They do not have to tell him why his contract wasn’t renewed, and now he doesn’t have a union backing his position. Plus, he wasn’t even “fired,” just not renewed.

F this teacher for creating an environment of hate.

Buffalox ,

If he can’t show common decency for his students, he absolutely needs to go.

Viking_Hippie ,

Jordan Cernek’s federal lawsuit alleges the Argyle School District violated his constitutional and civil rights to be free of religious discrimination and to be able to express himself according to his religious beliefs

Fun fact: when your religious beliefs include a mandate to trample on the rights of others based on pure bigotry, you and your obnoxious interpretation of bronze age fairy tales can fuck off.

Blum0108 ,

I also am unsure of where in the Bible it states that pronouns are immutable.

Viking_Hippie ,

Maybe it’s one of those wacky rules in Leviticus? 🤷

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Genesis 5: 2 says “Male and female he created them, and he blessed them.”

I like to point to the word ‘and’ there, just to make sure Xtians notice it doesn’t say ‘or’.

FlyingSquid ,
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God changes pronouns in Genesis:

lectionary.blog/2019/02/14/god-grammar-pronouns/

Sterile_Technique ,
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Idk, but the lady on Fox said it was against my religion, she sounded really sure of herself, and it lines up nicely with my bigoted personality. I think this one’s safe to just take at face value and assume it’s part of my religion. It’s what I’m told Jesus would do!!

NoIWontPickAName ,

Seems like this whole problem could have been avoided by just using everyone’s last names.

NoIWontPickAName ,

Seems like this whole problem could have been avoided by just using everyone’s last names.

eestileib ,

Freedom of religion = freedom to be a bigoted jerk

MagicShel ,

My interpretation is there are many reasons why his contract wasn’t renewed. I think he’s trying to make it political by claiming he’s being cancelled. He is shitty. He doesn’t deserve to be a teacher. I just think this is his way to go on the attack instead of having to defend his record.

I could be wrong, but no fucking way we’re getting the whole story just listening to him.

lath ,

As an employee of the school, the only names he should be using are those registered in its official documents. Personal desires should not matter for either side.

Einstein ,

Uh no. Not that hard to call a person by the name they prefer. Don’t be a bigot.

lath ,

Bigotry has nothing to do with it. The name registered is the one that should be used. If your registered name with the school is Richard, but you wanna be called Private Dick, then register it. If you can’t, then that’s another issue entirely.

Dasus ,
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    DmMacniel ,
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    It was your personal desire to comment this right? Better delete it because according to you your personal desires don’t matter either!

    Fuck off bigot.

    Cadeillac ,
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    Let it stay so people know what kind of person they are

    lath ,

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    DmMacniel ,
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    Bigotry doesn’t make an exception wether it is showcased in an official capacity/private or personal capacity. As you demonstrated with your comment.

    You believe in objective morality, don’t you?

    lath ,

    Belief and application are rarely the same. I can say I do and so can anyone else. But when it’s time to apply it, well, that’s subjective to the individual in question.

    Objectively speaking, it’s better for a teacher to focus on teaching their subject and ignore all other unrelated issues. It’s not their job to cater to other people’s needs. It’s also not their job to cater to their own personal whims while working. Do the work, then go home and be themselves.

    DmMacniel ,
    @DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

    it’s better for a teacher to focus on teaching their subject and ignore all other unrelated issues. It’s not their job to cater to other people’s needs.

    Look up special needs students, and hopefully realise that you are clearly in the wrong.

    Belief and application are rarely the same. I can say I do and so can anyone else. But when it’s time to apply it, well, that’s subjective to the individual in question.

    so, you are a Prager U “”“”“”““christian””“”“”“” then? Cool cool.

    lath ,

    Oh. Is now having your nickname/preferred name used a special need?

    I did not know that. Guess they should be placed in a specialized class with a trained specialist in charge then.

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    DmMacniel ,
    @DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

    Oh. Is now having your nickname/preferred name used a special need?

    no its not, its common decency. My statement simply showcases that a teacher does not just have to teach their subject and ignore all other unrelated issues SINCE THERE ARE SPECIAL NEEDS STUDENTS.

    lath ,

    Your common decency is only common in your region. Different regions have different ideas of what is common decency.

    In some parts of the world, common decency is to give the name you expect to be used when writing it down for someone else to make use of it.

    And if some students have special needs, then the teacher also needs to be hired with proper information and resources given to them by the school.

    Special needs kids need an environment properly suited to their needs. Anything else would be negligence.

    Cadeillac ,
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    I’m sure he would have no problem calling a, let’s just say, James David JD if that is what James David preferred. This is just bigotry for the sake of hate

    lath ,

    I’d rather they didn’t. As an official, fraternizing individually only creates problems overall. A teacher should teach a class objectively.

    However, any other extracurricular activities should be separate from regular classes and the relationship is more tight knit, so in that circumstance, nicknames wouldn’t be an issue.

    Ir you don’t separate work from personal life, you’re going to have a bad time.

    Cadeillac ,
    @Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

    What is your government name so I don’t accidentally call you the wrong thing?

    lath ,

    I don’t work for the government and neither am I here as an employee, so have fun with that thought for a while and see what you can learn from it.

    Cadeillac ,
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    That’s what I figured

    conciselyverbose ,

    As a fucking educator, you should be connecting to every single student in your classroom on a personal level, or you’re unredeemably shit at your job.

    Cadeillac ,
    @Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

    Bro sounds like he was part of Hitler’s Youth

    Ilovemyirishtemper ,

    A good chunk of a teacher’s job is to build appropriate relationships with your students. Students don’t want to learn from someone they dislike, and you have significantly better learning outcomes when the students feel safe, accepted, and cared about. Appropriate nicknames, like Tim for Timothy, help in that relationship building. I don’t know what your position is at that school, but Wisconsin teachers are literally taught stuff like this in college so that we know how to manage a classroom with the best learning outcomes and the fewest number of behavioral disruptions. We are taught how to keep those relationships appropriate and healthy, although much of that is just common sense.

    Yes, you should separate work and home life for both your own sanity and for modeling good boundaries and work-life balance. But that doesn’t mean you have to drop your decency at the door. At the end of the day, the goal is learning, and not being a douche is one of the easiest ways to get to that goal.

    Extracurricular activities are an extension of these same principles, not an exception or something with a different set of standards. I think you might be mixing up appropriate relationship building with inappropriate fraternizing, and I’m concerned that you are having difficulty finding that line.

    prole ,

    Every teacher I ever had in public school throughout the 90s and early 00s asked students to tell them if they had a nickname or a name they preferred to be called on the first day of class. And then they would do their best to adhere to it.

    Every single one. Nobody gave a shit. There were more important things going on like, I dunno, educating children?

    lath ,

    Most of my teachers in the schools i went to never used a nickname for their students. Those that used nicknames were the exception, not the rule. And guess what happened to them. Parents complained of favouritism and the grades they gave were questioned.

    Every single time. People do give a shit about the non-educating part and it’s an issue schools have to deal with when they’d rather not.

    Cadeillac ,
    @Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

    Confirmation bias. Got it

    Eggyhead ,

    Are you telling me that if a kid named Timmy wants me to call him Tim, I should only be calling him Timmy? Fuck that noise.

    lath ,

    If you’re the teacher of a classroom and it’s not part of your contract to call Timmy as Tim, then little Timmy can go legally change his name to Tim.

    rand_alpha19 ,

    Do you realize how disconnected from reality you sound? Kids' legal names aren't as important as you think they are. Honestly, neither are adults' legal names.

    If someone comes up to you (outside of a school) and says their name is Will, do you say you're only going to call them William? If yes, wow, you are so weird. If not, why does it matter inside of a school and not outside?

    masterspace ,

    Lmfao, shut the fuck up dumbass.

    We don’t care how fucking dumb you are. Stop coming out here and trying to prove to everyone that you’re too stupid to remember what elementary school was like and that you don’t remember kids having some crazy long foreign name and preferring to go by Tony or whatever. That literally fucking happened to like half of my Italian family when they immigrated here.

    Jesus fucking Christ pull your head out of your ass and stop embarassing your friends and family with your dumbassery.

    Cadeillac , (edited )
    @Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

    If you call him Tim bad things could happen. It’s a slippery slope to child abuse

    Edit: /s

    callouscomic ,

    “Your contract WAS renewed, but I don’t think we used your information, like your name or identity or anything. I’m not sure how we referred to you in the paperwork, so I guess we won’t be able to find it.”

    Voroxpete ,

    Good. Who the fuck wants their children being taught by intolerant bigots? What kind of example is that setting for them? Freaks like this shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near kids.

    swampwitch ,

    Don’t know what happened to “love thy neighbour”/The Golden Rule, but some Christians sure are struggling with that part of the Bible.

    callouscomic ,

    Most Christians have always struggled with that part.

    Setting aside religion, I used to have a shitty boss who would never shut up about how the platinum rule is better than the golden rule (treat people how they want to be treated), but them would proceed to never actually follow it and never really understood how he treated people.

    People suck in general at just giving a shit about others. They just want to sound and feel like they give a shit without actually following through.

    cheese_greater ,

    What’s the platinum rule?

    I like it, sorta suggested it unknowingly previously :D

    NoIWontPickAName ,

    Treat people as they want to be treated

    homesweethomeMrL ,

    I hope you find some better humans!

    themeatbridge ,

    Protip, they probably aren’t at church.

    optissima ,

    People who claim that that’s not already part of the golden rule don’t understand the golden rule anyway.

    linearchaos ,
    @linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s the church modernization strategy right there.

    Here are the rules you should follow the rules.

    Preacher, I disagree with the rules. The rules make me feel icky.

    You should just do your best end repent and give back in another ways. By the way this month’s tidings are a little light can you help us out.

    prole ,

    To be fair, there’s a lot of contradictions in there regarding how one should treat other humans.

    For example, Jesus endorsed slavery, which doesn’t seem very “love thy neighbor” to me…

    betterdeadthanreddit ,

    You love them so much that you just have to own them.

    Hackworth ,

    Small point of clarification - God endorsed slavery. Jesus doesn’t say anything about it.

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    They’re the same guy.

    Hackworth ,

    It depends on the denomination, interestingly. Jehovah’s Witnesses see Jesus as a created being, separate from and subordinate to god the Father, and view the Holy Spirit as god’s active force rather than a person. Mormons believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as separate beings united in purpose, rather than one god in three persons.

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    I’m willing to bet this guy believes Jesus is God, it’s the predominant belief in the religion regardless of a few sects having their own fanfictions.

    billiam0202 ,

    Big point of clarification: the people who wrote the bible endorsed slavery.

    Hackworth ,

    Which is a bit weird, since a couple of the authors were apparently slaves.

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