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A_Random_Idiot ,

Ford trying to patent a way to bankrupt themselves for when no one ever buys another ford ever again.

andrewth09 ,

Don’t worry, the federal government will bail them out.

A_Random_Idiot ,

gotta syphon that money out of government somehow.

SSJMarx ,

Like 90% of people speed all the time. This system would produce so much data it would be useless.

wolfpack86 ,

Either that or it would be so lucrative we could fund universal healthcare

Except we all know it would fund cool new guns and tanks for your local municipality.

diskmaster23 ,

They would totally use it for infrastructure and continue to have single family housing. I.e. not learn a damn thing.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Lord, Mr. Ford, I just wish that you could see what your simple horseless carriage has become.

suction ,

How is this bad? Speeding is a huge problem ever since the Fast & Furious movies made young guys think it’s cool to drive 180km/h through cities.

ProvableGecko ,

Police. The problem is the police.

Woht24 ,

Fucking mouth breather

morphballganon ,

Douchebags have been speeding since before FAF

But it’s bad because say traffic is going 20 over the speed limit. You go with it since that’s safer than going the speed limit. Then you get a ticket for it?

suction ,

That’s not speeding, which means recklessly driving like a madman - and 20 mph over is not a small amount when the limit is 55.

The „it’s not illegal if everybody does it“ defence also isn’t going to help you. Because it’s the slipperiest of slopes.

I go over the limit sometimes, too, and when I get caught I pay the fine like an adult, instead of making up childish excuses why it was actually fine to do so.

And anyway, the fines are adjusted by how much you went over, if you just slightly go over, it’s cheaper.

So in summary, you’re an idiot and I hope you get caught doing something really bad soon,

lightnsfw ,

The problem is that a lot pf times the limit is a joke. It needs to be set what is actually safe, not arbitrarily low to create speed traps or whatever. There’s really no reason an interstate that’s more or less straight for 100 miles should be limited to 55/60. People are not going to stick to that because they can safely go a lot faster (depending on traffic obviously) but then you have others who will rigidly adhere to the speed limit while ignoring proper lane usage. The combination of the two types of driver create dangerous bottlenecks where you have congestion and people weaving in and out to get past slower drivers.

Fixing the speed limit would at least eliminate the issues caused by people using as a justification to drive slower than the rest of traffic in whatever lane they want. The next step would be to enforce properly keeping right if you are not passing which is what is responsible for a lot of the dangerous congestion people encounter on the road.

As for what Ford is doing either way it’s stupid but if they’re going to do that why not just make the system limit the top speed to whatever the current speed limit is instead? You know, actually fix the “problem”.

MonkRome ,

The safest speed to drive is the speed of traffic. It’s not that “everyone’s doing it” is an excuse, it’s literally the safest and therefore most ethical choice.

suction ,

Don’t tell me that, tell that to the officer giving you a ticket lmao

MonkRome ,

Most officers don’t ticket for speed of traffic, the uniform vehicle code (federal advisory on traffic laws) literally advises them not to for obvious reason. Most cops will focus on cars exceeding both the speed of traffic and the speed limit. If you drive you whole life going the speed of traffic you are very unlikely to be ticketed ever.

Sylvartas ,

You do realize the police will jump at the opportunity to give you a ticket for going 1 mph above the limit for 5 seconds while overtaking ?

bluewing ,

Perhaps in rare cases. But most polices can’t be arsed to make a traffic stop for all but the most egregious instances. Otherwise you probably would have a few hundred tickets yourself.

Sylvartas ,

In this case they wouldn’t have to make a traffic stop. In my country they would still have to fill some paperwork which might dissuade them (except if they need to keep their numbers up) but I’m sure there are some places where they could legally automate that shit

bluewing ,

Sure they can install traffic cameras and there are places that do to monitor speeds and stop signs/lights. Those are often rigged to add as much income as is ‘legally possible’. And they can be defeated if you so desire. Plus, in places like where I live, a traffic ticket must written “On the operator the vehicle” not to the vehicle itself. So cameras where I live.

Plus, are you content to let a stupid drive continue to drive and endanger everyone else he passes on the road?

Madison420 ,

Do you think no one sped before fast and the furious a movie famously inspired by people driving like assholes on city streets?

bluewing ,

No. But asshole drivers speeding, driving under the influence, running traffic stop lights/signs are still killing themselves and others at an impressive clip. And show no signs of slowing down - pun intended.

You would think that killing enough of those dumbasses would improve the breed like Darwin says it should. But nope.

Madison420 ,

Sure but the cause isn’t a c list movie.

HawlSera ,

Are they trying to make cars undesirable?

CPMSP ,

Just theirs.

But you know, not a bad thought.

Atomic ,

It’s an absolute win win.

  1. If they patent it, no one else can use the same system in the same way. So it’s contained to Ford.
  2. If they don’t end up using it. It’s simply a safeguard that no one else can either.
  3. If they do end up using it, people will shy away from Ford, making the roads safer for everyone.

As I said. Win win. This is fantastic news.

unrelatedkeg ,
  1. When the patent expires every manufacturer will be using it if they’re forced to by legislation
linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

What if legislation says the feature needs to be added. And then everyone’s forced to buy a license from Ford to make it happen?

Atomic ,

No one would be forced to buy a license from Ford. IF they decide it has to be on every car, and it’s that specific system, they would have to buy it out from Ford.

But legislation like that doesn’t happen over night. It’s planned several years in advance so everyone has time to implement it.

But if that’s what you’re worries about. I suggest you vote for whomever is opposed to it. And if no one is opposed. I suggest you protest.

answersplease77 ,

but what if I only went above limit for 1 second by mistake? vigilante snitching is not the police to decide to give me ticket

MediaSensationalism ,
@MediaSensationalism@lemmy.world avatar

If I have to buy a “new” car someday, I’m cutting off every antenna I see.

androogee ,

Unable to contact servers; boot loop, car won’t start; manufacturer sues you for breaking licensing agreement with unapproved modifications

morphballganon ,

Classic cars for me then

swag_money ,

my classic car is a 2005😎

unrelatedkeg ,

That’s why we need right to repair

androogee ,

And a corporate death penalty, if I had my druthers.

unrelatedkeg ,

I’m against the death penalty, so corporate disbandanment

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately just like your cell phone we don’t really need external antennas anymore. In a lot of cases there’s not even a wire inside you can easily cut, just traces deep on the board

RaoulDook ,

What I’ve been reading about on that subject is that cars often have a Telematics Control Unit or TCU that can actually be disabled if you can find it. It’s a box that plugs in to the wiring harness. They also have antennas that could be connected by a wire that you could locate, giving us another option to disable them by just disconnecting the antenna wire. That way the TCU could still talk to the main computers but not be able to send out its data.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

If it doesn’t have a wire you could always put in a little faraday cage.

_stranger_ ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/76a5d9e5-a8b3-419d-9bbb-0e50350ccb58.gif

TheRealKuni ,

What’s especially hilarious is that my Ford Escape reads speed limit signs and then adjusts the cruise control to the new limit +5mph. They let you adjust that setting up to +/- 10mph, iirc.

ObsidianZed ,

Well yeah, they have to allow you wiggle room to knowingly break the law. How else are they going to maintain the partnership with law enforcement?

Sam_Bass ,

Heh. Guess theyre tired of making money

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Right? Why the hell would I buy a vehicle that’s going to report me to the police?

superkret ,

Because it will not report you. It will report others it sees on the road - except Fords.

threeganzi ,

They’re probably waiting for this tech to be required by law and make a lot of cash on the patent.

aidan ,

They already have to implement a system to shut off the car if “drunk driving is detected” by law

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t heard of that. How does it work? It shuts the car off if you swerve a lot?

Do you have a source I could read more about this?

aidan ,

The law doesn’t say how it should work at all. This source seems the least biased I’ve seen on it

thetruthaboutcars.com/…/why-are-people-worried-ab…

aPirate ,

And that’s why I love old cars.

InternetUser2012 ,

I’m never buying a newer car.

Pilferjinx ,

The thing with new cars is that they turn into old cars.

pyrflie ,

2016+ is a no buy for me. I don’t look at new cars to begin with and anything 2016 or newer gets the axe as well. They are permanent Tracking.

vaultdweller013 ,

I feel like you atleast have some wiggle room with electric cars, I cant imagine that it would be too hard to just rip out and replace most of the bs parts. Mostly cause you dont have a massive engine block to deal with, just wires.

pyrflie , (edited )

With electric cars the Firmware does a lot more work than you think. You can’t just rip fuses like the old days. For a lot of the newer vehicles changes mean tracking or coding changes vs vehicle doesn’t start.

vaultdweller013 ,

Oh no im talking ripping literally everything out and starting more or less from scratch, battery and body only.

bluewing ,

So you are writing your own firmware and updates too?

vaultdweller013 ,

No but it also shouldnt be complex enough to need it, all the computer needs to do is control the motors and the shifter nothing else. I dont need cruise control, I dont need lane assist, I dont even need powered windows ya know what fuck the doors altogether. Everything else IE lights, air, radio can be controlled through a rather simple tertiary power system.

bluewing ,

So how are you going to monitor and control the temperature of the battery pack so it doesn’t blow up in your face? How do you control charging rates? How do you pre-heat the pack when when it’s cold outside?

And those are the just the first things I can think of in less than 15 seconds.

vaultdweller013 ,

I live in a desert so I dont really need to pre heat shit, seriously I can just not drive it for the two weeks its under fifty. There are prebuilt modules that can control charging rate, they aint fancy but theyre becoming common in my area due to hobbyists. As for temperature id probably just slap a couple electric thermometers to it and call it a day. Worst case for the temp I rip up the back seat and jam an abomination of a heat sink into it.

Frankly speaking id probably just start copying old 1980s and 1970s electric car design.

Anyways I have clearly not thought it through massively, just got the basics down. And most of my opinions come from the place of loathing new cars, they all suck. I drive a 91 cherokee, I know how to work on mechanical shit not electric. But I have messed with enough old electronics to know there is always a workaround, even if it is ass backwards and is a massive fire hazard.

bluewing ,

even if it is ass backwards and is a massive fire hazard.

I look forward to reading your obituary some day…

vaultdweller013 ,

You seem to assume I dont take cautious. I take plenty, ive got a couple work tables with burns and melted metal that say so. As well as a welding mask with a melted lense. I aint got no scares from it yet.

InternetUser2012 ,

True, I’ll never a own a car with technology that can send my data to anyone else.

fukurthumz420 ,

enshittification might just be how capitalism destroys itself.

frigidaphelion ,

This is a weird one. I speed, and so does everyone else, but nobody has the right to speed, and I cant say it necessarily would be bad to have more speeding restrictions. Im sure it would be just as abused as any other part of the law and justice system but I dont find it inherently unappealing.

Emerald ,

I speed, and so does everyone else

Why?

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Old, terrible road speed design methods resulting in shit like my drive to work: a long, straight road that’s wider than the nearby highway yet has a speed limit 15mph slower because…?

deltapi ,

Usually the answer is “uncontrolled access” I.e. it has driveways and such, and not on and off ramps

Whattrees ,
@Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Our roads are designed to make us think we can go faster than we should and localities have an incentive to keep speed limits arbitrarily low to increase fines from speeders.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Our roads are designed to make us think we can go faster than we should

localities have an incentive to keep speed limits arbitrarily low

Which is it? If speed limits are arbitrarily low then you can go faster. The fact that most people speed and the roads aren’t consistently littered with accidents seems to support that.

Whattrees ,
@Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It’s both because there is more than one kind of road.

America really likes stroads which give the impression that you can safely travel at speeds that are actually dangerous. We do that often in neighborhoods where we should be going 20-25 max but the design of the roads encourages us to drive faster. Since the speed limit is often actually at a safe speed, the issue of speeding is about the design of the road and not the speed limit.

Larger roads like highways, freeways, and expressways are designed for high-speed travel but often have speed limits that are low for the sake of revenue generation. If you’ve ever driven through a small town where the highway design doesn’t change but the speed suddenly drops from 65 to 35 you know what I mean. In those cases the problem is with the arbitrarily low speed limit as some states have raised the cap up to 80 and have not seen a substantial increase in accident-related injuries and deaths.

Connector roads often suffer from one or the other problem listed above. They are either designed to make you feel like you can go 60 when you should be going 40 or are set at 30 when you could safely go 40. The road design needs to match the safe speed by making drivers feel unsafe when they exceed that speed and not unnecessarily penalize them by not putting the limit lower than that speed.

Both of those result in speeding but have different causes.

Animated_beans ,

It’s both. They make it so you want to speed so they can generate revenue. Wide lanes and low speed limits can yield a lot of tickets

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

I was driving on a road like that in Scranton with a 45 mph speed limit, doing 50. For about a quarter mile, without any change in the road, it drops to 35 mph. Right in front of a police station. So the cops don’t even have to leave their station to start ticketing people.

spoopy ,
@spoopy@lemmy.world avatar

fwiw, the roads are constantly littered with accidents and the US has the highest pedestrian fatality rate out of all “western” nations

BigPotato ,

Well, both.

If the road were clear around me, I could easily hold 100+ off the highway. I’ve got huge streets near me with long curves. No problem for my relatively new tires and well-maintained vehicle.

Once we add cars to the mix, I can no longer go that fast. Too many other cars, if I just weave around them, I can go fast again. Who wants all this power sitting behind a Sentra?

Yay! I’m free! Fast fast fast until more cars again. A little bob and weave… Crash.

This road is literally as wide as the highway but the speed limit is 45mph.

The road always has traffic, always construction, always debris from poorly maintained cars or accidents which means you can’t go fast but the road itself was designed for the Daytona 500. The ‘speed limit’ is set for a pace that makes 18 wheelers look fast.

So, the obvious answer said by every Suburban with scrapes on the side and Altima with paper tags is “My car isn’t going to fail or crash and in ideal conditions should have no problem redlining all the way down this thing so I should try that in five o’clock traffic.”

p5yk0t1km1r4ge , (edited )
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Speeders are assholes that put everyone in danger.

Get fucked if you speed. I lost several family members because of pricks like you and I even wound up hospitalized from it. Eat shit and piss off. Asswipes like you fucks don’t need a drivers license since you don’t know how to drive.

Glytch ,

This is likely for new models of Interceptors so that cops don’t have to hold those heavy radar guns to generate revenue. Instead they can automatically ticket speeders while driving to the donut shop or their next victim’s house.

Etterra ,

Cops hate this one simple trick!

Glytch ,

No, they love it because they have to do less to cause more misery.

Rayspekt ,

Patent it so nobody is allowed to use it?

billwashere ,

This was my thought as well. Just because they patent it, doesn’t mean they’ll use it. And it could keep other manufacturers from implementing similar systems.

From a product standpoint, I just don’t understand the reasoning here. Nobody wants this. It’s not a selling point. There is no way to make money off of this without the government getting involved. Just why?

Rayspekt ,

Yeah exactly. Who is going to buy the car that tips off the cops?

pythonoob ,

Tbh, if all the ticketing was done automatically, then there would be less of a reason for cops, especially traffic cops. This decreasing their numbers. This could be a silver lining.

fukurthumz420 ,

or, hear me out… we could just have cars that don’t snitch on us and cops that work under strict scrutiny (or no cops at all if we took care of ourselves as a society)

pyrflie ,

15 years max for patents like this. Filling is intent to use and/or charge/profit.

Rayspekt ,

I know, but 15 years is a long-ass time.

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