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Etterra ,

I’m Gen-X and I barely feel in charge of my own life, much less the direction of the nation.

computerscientistII ,

Kamala was born in 64. She’s a boomer. Also, GTFO with Generation Jones. She’s a boomer. X-ers are those who came after the pill became omnipresent after the mid 60s. I am one of those (born in 77). We are relatively few in numbers in comparison to the boomers. Because of the pill. Also GTFO with Generation Jones. She’s a boomer.

Trump and Biden also aren’t boomers. They predate the boomers. They were born during or shortly after WW2. That’s usually called the silent generation. Trump being part of the silent generation is of course ridiculous. But he’s the exception of the rule, I guess. But both are born very late in that generation, so they are its last remnants I guess. Soon they will all be gone.

Nastybutler ,

Boomers is short for Baby Boomers which were literally the babies born after WW2 vets came home and had families. I don’t know why your misinformed comment has so many upvotes

Zaktor ,

What’s the fact you’re objecting to? The only thing wrong is Trump as a Silent as he’s born in the very first year of the Boomers. Everything else is following the common definitions.

computerscientistII ,

You might be right there. I’m German. And many a man did come back later, after the war, here. A lot of refugees were forcefully relocated from what is today Poland. Also a lot of POWs came back long after the war was over. So the baby boom was a bit delayed over here.

Akasazh ,
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Then again, you’re a computer scientist, not an historian, and therefore excusable :p

Zaktor ,

It all depends on whether you start counting from 0 or 1!

FlyingSquid ,
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Where does the common definition of ‘Boomer’ say it starts after 1946 (the year Trump was born) and stops with the birth control pill (1960)?

I have never seen such a definition anywhere. Certainly not one that says it starts at least two years after the end of WWII.

Zaktor ,

Huh? I’m saying Trump is Boomer because Boomers start in 1946. And it goes to 1964, which is when the birth control pill was recognized as a contraceptive. I don’t know if X is defined by that in the same way Boomers are defined by a specific event, but it lines up precisely.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomers

FlyingSquid ,
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I guess you didn’t read down very far since it talks about multiple definitions.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomers#Date_range_and…

Zaktor ,

You literally just asked about where the common definition came from. Read the first fucking paragraph man.

FlyingSquid ,
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I did not ask anything. I certainly didn’t ask that:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/300e497a-d3df-4da8-b354-41c220017464.png

Pretty amusing that you’re accusing me of not reading though.

Zaktor ,

You’re in the wrong fucking thread. Get it together before you go randomly aggro.

You, in the post I originally replied to:

Where does the common definition of ‘Boomer’ say it starts after 1946 (the year Trump was born) and stops with the birth control pill (1960)?

FlyingSquid ,
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Okay, sorry about that, but you’re still wrong because it’s anywhere between 1943 and “mid-1946” as per that Wikipedia page.

cantw8togo ,

Thanks for this post. It’s been entertaining reading.

FlyingSquid ,
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I’m amused with all the people who think there’s some hard line where you have to be born before or after some exact year to be of a named generation as if this wasn’t all made up. A baby didn’t get labeled Gen-X if they were born after midnight on a certain day.

As far as I’m concerned, she’s Gen-X. She was 13 when Star Wars came out.

razorwiregoatlick ,
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Maybe I am missing something but you do have to be born before or after some exact year to be of a named generation. That’s kind of the definition. Gen X is 1965 - 1980.

FlyingSquid ,
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Dude, it’s all made up and there is no hard definition for the years of Gen X.

I mean if you really want to be pedantic about it, the people we call Boomers these days are the original Gen X.

The term Generation X has been used at various times to describe alienated youth. In the early 1950s, Hungarian photographer Robert Capa first used Generation X as the title for a photo-essay about young men and women growing up immediately following World War II. The term first appeared in print in a December 1952 issue of Holiday magazine announcing their upcoming publication of Capa’s photo-essay.

Or maybe it’s people born in the 1950s and 1960s?

The term acquired a modern application after the release of Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture, a 1991 novel written by Canadian author Douglas Coupland; however, the definition used there is “born in the late 1950s and 1960s”, which is about ten years earlier than definitions that came later.[16][17][13][18] In 1987, Coupland had written a piece in Vancouver Magazine titled “Generation X” which was “the seed of what went on to become the book”.

Or maybe it’s 1965-1980?

In the U.S., the Pew Research Center, a non-partisan think-tank, delineates a Generation X period of 1965–1980 which has, albeit gradually, come to gain acceptance in academic circles.

Or maybe it’s “Gen X is whatever we decide it is.”

The Brookings Institution, another U.S. think-tank, sets the Gen X period as between 1965 and 1981.[31] The U.S. Federal Reserve Board uses 1965–1980 to define Gen X.[32] The U.S. Social Security Administration (SSA) defines the years for Gen X as between 1964 and 1979. The US Department of Defense (DoD), conversely, use dates 1965 to 1977.[33] In their 2002 book When Generations Collide, Lynne Lancaster and David Stillman use 1965 to 1980, while in 2012 authors Jain and Pant also used parameters of 1965 to 1980.[34] U.S. news outlets such as The New York Times[35][36] and The Washington Post[37] describe Generation X as people born between 1965 and 1980. Gallup,[38] Bloomberg,[39] Business Insider,[40] and Forbes[41][42] use 1965–1980. Time magazine states that Generation X is “roughly defined as anyone born between 1965 and 1980”.[43] George Masnick of the Harvard Joint Center for Housing Studies puts this generation in the time-frame of 1965 to 1984, in order to satisfy the premise that boomers, Xers, and millennials “cover equal 20-year age spans”.[44]

In Australia, the McCrindle Research Center uses 1965–1979.[45] In the UK, the Resolution Foundation think-tank defines Gen X as those born between 1966 and 1980.[46] PricewaterhouseCoopers, a multinational professional services network headquartered in London, describes Generation X employees as those born from 1965 to 1980.[47]

But those are just think tanks. Surely other experts have a specific range, right?

On the basis of the time it takes for a generation to mature, U.S. authors William Strauss and Neil Howe define Generation X as those born between 1961 and 1981 in their 1991 book titled Generations, and differentiate the cohort into an early and late wave.[48] Jeff Gordinier, in his 2008 book X Saves the World, include those born between 1961 and 1977 but possibly as late as 1980.[9] George Masnick of the Harvard Joint Center for Housing Studies puts this generation in the time-frame of 1965 to 1984, in order to satisfy the premise that boomers, Xers, and millennials “cover equal 20-year age spans”.[44] In 2004, journalist J. Markert also acknowledged the 20-year increments but goes one step further and subdivides the generation into two 10-year cohorts with early and later members of the generation. The first begins in 1966 and ends in 1975 and the second begins in 1976 and ends in 1985; this thinking is applied to each generation (Silent, boomers, Gen X, millennials, etc.).[49]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X

This isn’t science, it’s categorization based on pretty arbitrary stuff.

razorwiregoatlick ,
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Yeah, it’s all made up. That how names work. What exactly is your point? They are made up to label something.

FlyingSquid ,
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I just showed you my point quite well. That there’s no agreed-upon definition of the term like you suggested. All I can think is that you read nothing I pasted.

razorwiregoatlick ,
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No, I didn’t suggest that. I asked for clarification because you said it amused you that people thought being born before or after some year made you part of a generation. That is literally the fucking definition! There are certainly different definitions of those generations but regardless they are all based on a person being born before or after a certain year.

FlyingSquid ,
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Your words:

That’s kind of the definition. Gen X is 1965 - 1980.

I showed you very clearly that it is one of many definitions of Gen X. Some of them apply to Harris.

razorwiregoatlick ,
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My point was to show that they are defined by a span of years. I see now that this concept is hard for you to understand.

FlyingSquid ,
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Yes, they are defined by a span of years. An arbitrary span no one agrees on. Thus, Generation X not definitively 1965-1980 as you said. Even the U.S. government disagrees with that definition.

It’s anything from the late 1920s to the mid 1980s depending on who you ask.

razorwiregoatlick ,
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So you are saying it’s arbitrary and then in the very next sentence make the statement that it is defined as 1920 - 1980? Do you even know what you are trying to say at this point?

FlyingSquid ,
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You are not reading very well:

It’s anything from the late 1920s to the mid 1980s depending on who you ask.

Meaning that it is arbitrary.

razorwiregoatlick ,
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I’m reading just fine thank you. “Gen X is anything from 1965 to 1980.” What is the difference between that and what you said? Just the date range. It’s obvious this concept is just too much for your brain to handle or you are just being stubborn. No need to message me anymore.

FlyingSquid ,
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I guess you still aren’t reading clearly. I’ll make it bigger so you can:

> depending on who you ask.

razorwiregoatlick ,
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    sandbox ,

    Generational cohorts are all just made up nonsense. It just exists to distract the working class from what we have in common with each other and what separates us from the working class. I, a millennial, have much more in common with a working class baby boomer, than I do with a rich and powerful millennial.

    Stop encouraging these artificial divides. Build solidarity across the working class of all ages. And stop playing into the media’s narratives.

    AFC1886VCC ,

    Preach. So tired of this bullshit “generation warfare”.

    Aceticon ,

    As a member of Generation X, I would say that it’s not going to be much better.

    Just look at, say, Elon Musk as an example of the kind of people from my generation who get to positions of influence.

    Most GenX are the product of the Neoliberal era, so have interiorized the whole “lookout for numero uno” idea of how to be in society and whilst commonly aware of things like Climate Change, they’re usually unwilling to inconvenience themselves for the sake of fighting against it, quite the contrary even (just look at how well SUVs sell), and similarly when it comes to Consumerism, they seem to be the most prone to wasteful consumption (the kind of people who replace their mobile phones every year or two).

    In summary, Gen X generally are more well informed than Boomers but even less principled than them.

    Allero ,

    Honestly, given the money Gen X has, Gen Z would mostly probably do the same.

    While some of our actions can be directed by principle, mostly it’s just shrinking income.

    I wish we could raise wages AND use them to embrace Buy It For Life items, all while subsidizing public transportation etc etc.

    But now it’s lack of money that holds Gen Z back, not principles, in my opinion.

    Wes4Humanity ,

    Gen z understands that the rich are the cause of their poverty, not immigrants or libs or other poor people. That’s a big step in directing action in the right direction.

    Objection ,

    The median age of the senate is 65. The article is just cherry picking.

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