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GOP threatened to sue over November ballot if Biden dropped out. Experts call that 'ridiculous'

Even before President Joe Biden’s long-speculated withdrawal from the 2024 presidential race, allies of former President Donald Trump floated the possibility of suing to block Democrats from having anyone other than Biden on the ballot in November.

But election administration and legal experts said the timing of Biden’s exit on Sunday makes it unlikely that any Republican ballot access challenges will succeed, with some calling the idea “ridiculous” and “frivolous.” Democrats are on safe legal ground as they identify a new standard-bearer, they say, because the party hasn’t officially chosen its nominee. That typically occurs with a vote of delegates at the party’s convention.

“It’s ridiculous for people to talk about ‘replacing Biden.’ He hasn’t been nominated yet,” said Richard Winger, a leading expert on state ballot access laws and the longtime editor of the “Ballot Access News” newsletter.

LEDZeppelin ,

Supreme Court will show those experts who’s daddy

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

They don’t have to succeed. They simply have to stall.

ShaggySnacks ,

SCOTUS - Something, something, this is illegal however only when Democrats do it.

DaddleDew ,

Let them waste even more money.

RageAgainstTheRich ,

Maybe don’t have a platform where the only thing you do is shit on the other person and call them kindergarten level nicknames? What a bunch of snowflakes.

SirDerpy ,

In 13 states the deadline for petitions for specific independent candidates has already passed. But, in at least 20 states the rules clearly allow Democrats and Republicans to do whatever, whenever.

If RCV magically appeared then the Green Party would be winning this one with AOC. Most aren’t as stupid as we think. They only lack practical alternatives. I believe harm reduction would be a second choice for so, so many.

But, RCV isn’t going to magically appear; Even if a politician wanted to, none can save us from the system; And, harm reduction simply isn’t good enough anymore. The only way we progress is by doing much, much more than voting.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

AOC and the squad have shown that Progressives can win on the Democratic ticket. Voters just need to turn out in the primaries to get their candidates nominated.

AmidFuror ,

AOC showed a progressive can win in an area that was +45% for Biden in 2020. I don't know how many conclusions you can draw about a national run from that.

KevonLooney ,

She wins because she represents the people in her district well and understands them on an intrinsic level. She is them.

AmidFuror ,

That's precisely the point I'm making. Remember this is in the context of Derpy saying the Greens and AOC would win nationally if there were RCV.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

Wow it’s too bad I only mentioned AOC and nobody else …

We have progressives from multiple states now than we did 10 years ago, and their success should motivate more progressives in more states to run in their local primaries. Change takes time and consistent effort. Primary turnout sucks so we get what was chosen for us by a few if we don’t show up.

SirDerpy ,

Progressives can win on the Democratic ticket

Is that what happened to the Sanders campaign, twice? Are you certain there’s not a SCOTUS ruling where the DNC admits their tactics?

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

Bernie received fewer votes in the primaries but succeeded in motivating more progressives to run and now we have the Squad. Just because he didn’t win the nomination doesn’t mean he didn’t have any success at all. Change takes time and consistent effort.

SirDerpy ,

Keep that head in the sand where you feel safe.

solsangraal ,

it’s hilarious that they’re proving in real time just how pants-shittingly scared of harris they are.

“keep the old man in!!! we don’t want to go up against a younger woman whom we can’t publicly criticize for not being white!”

Nougat ,

... whom we can't stop ourselves from publicly criticizing for not being white!

FTFY

tyler ,

They’re already publicly criticizing her for not being white…

solsangraal ,

let’s see how the bLaCkPpLbAd strategy pays off…

norimee ,

They already made it public that they will do everything to invalidate democrat votes and that they won’t accept any outcome that isn’t a Trump win.

It’s going to be Jan 2021 but worse again.

henfredemars ,

Friendly reminder to check your voter registration. Many states are un-registering voters for dumb reasons.

CareHare ,

Why is this even a thing in the USA? In Belgium, everyone over the age of 18 just gets a letter in the mail. Making people go for tedious registration and what not sounds very undemocratic to me.

Reverendender ,

The GOP is very undemocratic

billiam0202 ,

On the surface, it’s not bad. If, for example, you move from one state to another, your previous state may not know you don’t live there anymore. So if they see you haven’t voted in that state for a while, they’ll assume you don’t live there and remove your name from their registration.

The problem is, as usual, how it gives conservatives in the US cover to remove legitimate voters. If you haven’t moved but also haven’t voted for the last several election cycles, you might get removed even if you intend to vote in this election. And you can see how that’s a short jump to “Oh no, we accidentally removed a whole bunch of people who were going to vote against us and darn it, wouldn’t you know there’s no way to fix this in time!”

tyler ,

If, for example, you move from one state to another, your previous state may not know you don’t live there anymore. So if they see you haven’t voted in that state for a while, they’ll assume you don’t live there and remove your name from their registration.

They always know, especially if you’re paying your taxes correctly. Try moving to Colorado. You’ll get registered immediately without doing anything and your ballot will be mailed to you. You don’t ever have to do anything in person.

There’s no reason to unregister someone from voting. In any state.

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

Why is this even a thing in the USA?

Belgium has a population of only 11.7 Million, a population density of 387 per square kilometer, and a whopping 98.8 percent of the population is Urban.

We have 30 times your population, 1/10th of your population density, and 20% less of our population is Urban.

The United States has 28 Million people, more than twice your entire population, that MOVES every year. Over a million people immigrate into the United States every year, meaning we could literally populate your entire nation in just a decade.

All of that means you cannot simply “send everyone a letter”.

It’s like the old saw “Everything works fine in a small network.” So no offense but relatively speaking Belgium is a tiny network compared to what we’ve got going on in the United States.

CareHare ,

Does the IRS send a letter to everyone in the USA every year?

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Nope. You file your taxes and send them in. They don’t mail you anything unless it’s necessary.

tyler ,

The irs literally did send almost everyone in the country a letter during covid… it’s not nearly as difficult as y’all are making it out to be.

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

No, they do not.

tyler ,

Colorado handles it just fine. Sounds like you’re making excuses for your state, don’t lump all the states in with yours.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s because it is! Just one of the thousands of many little ways the American Republicans have made life worse for everyone, including their own. Gerrymandering and tampering with voter registration are historically Republican strategies that serve no purpose other than voter disenfranchisement. They can’t win a popular vote and they know it, so their best strategy is to prevent people from voting in the first place. Hence their history of arcane voter registration rules, disgustingly absurd gerrymandered districts, removal or last-minute changing of acceptable voting locations in Democratic areas, voter intimidation, even active voter endangerment via refusal of water bottles during summer heat - not as in they wouldn’t give you water at the voting lcoation - no, you aren’t allowed to have water, even if you brought your own, even if someone showed up and tried to donate water to you. They took it right out of our hands. Meanwhile we were standing in a line in a parking lot with no shade in 96F weather for multiple hours because local republican leadership also shut down all other democratic voting locations within an hour’s drive.

It is disgustingly undemocratic, dangerous, abusive and frankly it’s embarrassing. These are not politicians, these are spoiled little children stamping their feat and screaming “no, I get to be king, and you have to go home!” They actively will not associate with the word “democracy” anymore because it’s too close to accidentally being called a Democrat.

If you’ve noticed Americans being a little more pissy than usual recently in the last several years, it’s largely because people are starting to open their eyes to this truth. It’s nothing new, but it is starting to get noticed. Trump flipped over a big ol’ rock and suddenly everyone saw all the worms and slugs squirming underneath.

AceFuzzLord ,

Thankfully I’m in the clear where I live. Got some mail in ballets for a different election for everyone in my apartment. Just hoping that nobody tries to do like what was done last time and have republican mail people dump the mail in votes somewhere random. Luckily it wasn’t anywhere near my neck of the woods, but I’m always worried it’ll happen.

thegr8goldfish ,

You can bet the National Guard would be deployed if a similar coup attempt is planned this time around.

norimee ,

I would have bet on a more drastic response to a mob attacking an official building in the first place. But that didn’t happen either.

thegr8goldfish ,

That’s for sure. Every one of those fuckers should have gone directly to jail that night. If that had been a George Floyd protest they would have just opened fire.

dragontamer ,

Donald Trump controlled the DC National Guard on January 6th 2021. Joe Biden (or maybe Kamala Harris, if Joe steps down early) will control the DC National Guard in 2025.

SteveFromMySpace ,

The party is a private apparatus and can put up whoever they want. Get the fuck over it. Trump could drop out today and people would be excited, not fighting to force him back on ballot. Except for his fanatics I guess.

takeda ,

They absolutely have no legal basis, my only worry is that they have activists in SCOTUS which showed us multiple times that they don’t care what the Constitution says.

sp3tr4l ,

Exactly.

It used to be the case that sane people with a modicum of understanding of our government/legal system, or even the ability to do a bit of research, they could just laugh this off.

But uh, nope, now we live in corrupt/activist Supreme Court era, which throws out decades of precedent and functionally invents new laws as it pleases.

dragontamer ,

Historically speaking, we Americans usually ignore what the SCOTUS says. Virginia was practically segregated into the early 1970s, for example, well over a decade after Brown v Board of Education.

That’s the hilarious part of the SCOTUS. They kind of don’t matter.

The response to an unjust SCOTUS is to ignore them. Like what are they actually gonna do about it?

HoustonHenry ,

Only works if everyone ignores them, don’t see that happening

Diplomjodler3 ,

More idiocy from the idiot party.

Lemminary ,

You know as they say: if it looks ridiculous and sounds ridiculous, it’s most likely the GOP.

Diplomjodler3 ,

If it walks like a moron, talks like a moron…

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s stupid enough that Ohio demands that the nominee be on the ballot before the convention and even they give a deadline after August.

DmMacniel ,
@DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

GOP: but it was our only strategy!

worldwidewave ,

Threatening to sue over spurious, trumped up claims has been a Trump strategy for half a century now.

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