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tills13 ,

Narrator: it is not

HubertManne ,

its so annoying how full of shit the republican party is. Even without trump they are worse than they have ever been.

InternetUser2012 ,

Scared?? Yup, they’re scared.

RestrictedAccount ,

His lips were moving. The clear tell that Johnson is lying.

card797 ,

Well. Biden is still in charge. He can declare and emergency and make whoever he wants appear on the ballot.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

So it would be wrong, and I think unlawful,

I mean, I can’t speak as to Mike Johnson’s personal sense of ethics, but if he’s making a legal claim, what law does it break?

This is a party-internal process.

The Democratic Party didn’t participate in the primary election, based on the expectation that Biden would run. But as I’ve pointed out here before, there’s no legal obligation for an American political party to hold a primary election or even if they do, for that primary result to bind them. We historically – and for most of American history – didn’t hold primaries at all. Parties decided that they wanted to do them and participate, but they don’t have to do so. The Libertarian Party does participate in primaries, but under their party rules, the results are merely advisory – the party can theoretically choose someone else. The Green Party policy varies based on state: in some, they participate in primaries, and in others, they caucus, have the state party internally select the party’s candidate.

For about half of the ~150 years that the Republican Party has been around, no states anywhere held primary elections. If it’s unlawful not to go to the primaries, was the Republican Party breaking the law all that time?

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

The Democratic Party didn’t participate in the primary election, based on the expectation that Biden would run.

Uh … There were 8 candidates for President on the Democratic primary ballot in my precinct in Texas. Every state held a Democratic primary.

ralphio ,

Florida and North Carolina did not. I’m not sure if there were any others.

www.wral.com/story/…/21202708/

www.cnn.com/…/democratic-presidential-primary

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

Both states’ Democratic parties held a primary,.with every relevant race other than president on the ballot. The original claim was that the “Democratic Party didn’t participate in the primary election.” Which is not accurate as every state’s Democratic party did hold a primary election. It wasn’t qualified to the presidential race, and even if it was a blanket statement would still be incorrect given that there were states who did have a choice for presidential nominee on their primary ballot.

mozz ,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

If it's unlawful not to go to the primaries, was the Republican Party breaking the law all that time?

The law of "Hey Mr. Supreme Court can you just say we won the election? I mean if not it's all cool, we can wait and try to do it the other way I guess, but it'd be really cool if you just could say out loud, you know what, fuck democracy we pick the winners now. Wouldn't that be pretty hot? If you just did that, just said it out loud?"

soratoyuki ,

Biden is still the President? He can just Officially Act on House Republican leadership until he gets an answer he likes.

WatDabney , (edited )

I actually hope that you’re right, because that would mean that the cabal that intends to overthrow democracy in the US is much more stupid than I had thought.

In the first place, the whole idea that a candidate might be prohibited from dropping out and/or that the party would in that event be prohibited from choosing a replacement is farcical on its face. Beyond that, the SC explicitly ruled after the 2016 race that the DNC is essentially entirely free to do whatever the fuck they want. Additionally, they recently ruled regarding Trump’s removal from ballots that states are not free to do whatever the fuck they want.

What that means is that in order to rule in such a way as to deny a replacement would reveal the complete and utter corruption of the system almost four months before the election, which would be an exceedingly stupid thing to do.

The far better strategy would be to just bide their time, let the democrats do whatever they choose to do, then implement the coup after the election (and preferably as close to the inauguration as possible) so they can accomplish it all at once, then hide behind the president’s newly granted dictatorial powers.

Kraiden ,

You're assuming they care about keeping their corruption hidden. They want absolute power! Who cares if the people know the system is corrupt if there's nothing they can do about it. Most dems are already aware that this is a fight for democracy itself, and the reps will just say they're "using the corruption to their advantage so they can fix it" or something.

The strategy you've outlined relies too heavily on their winning the election fairly. Don't get me wrong, it's not impossible, but it's far from a sure bet.

WatDabney ,

Who cares if the people know the system is corrupt if there’s nothing they can do about it.

Because for the moment, there’s not “nothing they can do about it.”

Most notably, the dictatorial power they established for Trump’s benefit is not yet in Trump’s hands - it’s in Biden’s. And particularly in light of the fact that he’s withdrawing from the race, he’s entirely free to do whatever he pleases. Like, for instance, haveTrump and every single other person who’s a part of this planned coup executed. Or, for instance, pardon any and all private citizens who might take it upon themselves to do the same.

The fascists aren’t going to be safe until that power is in their hands. And that won’t be until after the election.

The strategy you’ve outlined relies too heavily on their winning the election fairly.

Not at all

The only difference I see between him winning fairly and him losing is whether the act that will mark the moment at which the autocrats fully and publicly play their hand is the attempt to get him into office in spite of his loss or whatever they put the highest priority on after his win.

In either event, the time for them to play their hand is later - not now.

magnetosphere ,
@magnetosphere@fedia.io avatar

Is this actually illegal or just “stir the shit” illegal? I’m leaning towards “stir the shit”, because the Democratic presidential nominee isn’t officially announced until the convention, and that hasn’t even happened yet.

800XL ,

It’s just a way to premptively setup another bullshit “election was stolen” crybaby whine from the fascists. This time tho they’re going to start the civil war.

sunzu ,

Alt right is deff going around with that civil war threat.

I am surprised feds allowing such rhetoric ... We already been through this shit. Enough

But you are also being too partisan. This I'd DnC komissars doing and they did similar in 2016 and 2020... Like wtf

morphballganon ,

Johnson doesn’t decide policy. He decides which matters to bring up in the house.

Yawweee877h444 ,

If far right Republicans like Johnson are already playing it this way, it’s because they’re scared and desperate. They can win against biden, anyone else is a threat. Another data point why this was the correct decision, among many others.

I was not a kamala fan, but I’ll be voting for her fervently on election day. I’m fucking pumped.

camr_on ,
@camr_on@lemmy.world avatar

You gonna take Johnson’s word for what can and can’t be done? Biden wasn’t even the official candidate yet until the DNC. Calm down for a second

dogsnest ,
@dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

Mike Johnson adopted a black son who’s never in Johnson family pictures.
Sounds cool.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That may not be Mike’s decision. Would you want to be in the family pictures of a family where the dad and son let each other know every time they spank it?

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Ballots aren’t even printed yet for any state. I do think Biden should have stopped a while back (remember “One term?”) but it’s better than post-convention.

Now we can have Harris get nom’d, debate, and hopefully not deal with Orange Fucker again. I’m more hopeful with Harris winning than Joe BIden, more due to her age and track record more than anything else.

spujb ,

bro is just afraid that it won’t be an ez W for MAGA now, and OP is capitulating to that fear

like do we live in a democratic republic or not? the idea that a candidate who isn’t even nominated yet can’t be replaced is laughable and should be attacked at all fronts, not given lip service.

superkret ,

like do we live in a democratic republic or not?

That’s the trillion $ question.

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