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AbidanYre ,

No booze or cigarettes, but guns are totally cool.

cybervseas ,

2A even has the term “well regulated” in it.

FlyingSquid ,
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They only care about the second half.

yeather ,

Well Regulated meaning in working order and properly armed.

Steve ,

Melitas don’t exist anymore accept as a term for a cosplaying gun club.

Remember, when this was written people thought a permanent military would be used against the citizens, so they thought it better to not have one.

njm1314 ,

No, When It Was Written they were worried that US Army would be busy and the slave rebellion wouldn’t be able to put down without a local militia. That needs to be remembered every time this argument comes up. The Second Amendment exists because because they were afraid of slave rebellions. Patrick Henry in particular in this case.

Reverendender ,

Can you provide any reputable evidence or citations to back this up?

yeather ,

And damn were they almost right a few times, and 100% were right if you count cops under that term.

BombOmOm , (edited )
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A well regulated watch is a watch in proper working order. ‘Well regulated’ does not mean ‘to pass regulations’ in this context.

Example sentences from online:

“regulate one’s habits”

“regulate the pressure of a tire”

_stranger_ ,

Now do militia.

Any way you cut it, the point was to have an armed citizenry capable of defending the country, and the 2nd was plainly defined in that context, so it makes perfect sense that the minimum requirement for bearing arms is being able to do so effectively: so where’s the training? Where’s the free gun after you prove yourself capable enough to be part of the national defense?

As it turns out, we have all that, it’s called the U.S. Military, an all volunteer force for the defence of the nation. (They don’t let you keep your gun anymore).

Want to do it part time, on an on-call basis? National Guard.

Id love it if we moved to the swiss model of mandatory training for everyone when they’re old enough, issuing them a firearm, and telling them to stay trained just in case, that would be awesome. Instead we have “buy it at Walmart, figure it out”, and zero part of that is run well.

Serinus ,

Then maybe we should make sure it’s in proper working order. Because selling an 18 year old a handgun at Walmart with no training ain’t that.

BombOmOm ,
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I agree. Schools need to teach kids practical skills. Firearms handling and use among them. Other good ones would be how to file taxes, how credit cards/loans work, how to repair basic items around the house, how to cook basic meals, etc. It doesn’t need to dominate schooling, a class or two covering the above in highschool would be plenty. Most of those topics are pretty short, but very important for life.

sunzu ,

Well tbh if we send them to war to die why are we limiting their constitutional rights?

If 21 is the new age of adulthood, then society should start acting like it instead of doing this selective circle jerk. Otherwise, such regulations have no legal leg to stand on.

doodledup ,

There is zero logic in your comment. I don’t even know what “selective circle jerk” is supposed to be.

sunzu ,

So there is logic in sending young adults armed to fight wars but at the same time limit their access to fire arms domestically based on ???

moody ,

I think the implication is the disparity in the ages that people are allowed to do things.

Children can get married, you can drive at 16, go to war at 18, but can’t drink until 21. So at what point are you considered an adult?

sunzu ,

Apparently whatever the political regime at the time of legislation needs.

Most recent and depraved example of this... "updates" to child labour laws so migrant kids can slave in slaughter houses while domsetic child slaves serve your shiti goyslop until 12am at MikieDs

Can we go any lower? Asking for a friend.

SirDerpy ,

I agree with you. But, that’s not how things work.

We’ve neglected public education and mental health for roughly forty years. The establishment wants a complete monopoly on violence. And, laws are only enforced when convenient for the ruling class. The state has caused an issue - stupid unstable people with guns - and will now use it as an excuse to further monopolize use of violence as a means.

sunzu ,

that's not how things work.

I am not following this tbh

SirDerpy ,

Society agrees with you. Government replies, “It’s Tuesday. Bend over.”

Modern governance is your oppressor, not your savior. That’s why it doesn’t make sense.

sunzu ,

Thanks and touché

SirDerpy ,

We’ve neglected public education and mental health for roughly forty years.

The state has caused an issue - stupid unstable people with guns

Then:

The state… will now use (stupid and unstable people with guns) as an excuse

Their means are:

laws are only enforced when convenient for the ruling class

Their goal is:

The establishment wants a complete monopoly on violence.

If the state threatens violence to get their way, then they don’t want to worry about violent self defense from the citizens with no other practical alternative.

For example, if a cop is beating an innocent person in the street then the state donesn’t want a radical revolutionary executing the cop and then making the body disappear, trusting strangers to see nothing, to remember nothing.

jimmydoreisalefty ,
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Meanwhile, the gun rights group Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus, which was among the organizations that challenged the law, cheered the decision.

“This is a resounding victory for 18-20-year-old adults who wish to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms,” Bryan Strawser, the group’s chairman, said in a statement.

Second Amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

AncientFutureNow ,

But what about StATeS RiGhTs???!!

TrippyHippyDan ,

Don’t you just love how it’s all about states’ rights when it comes to things like abortion, but as soon as it’s gun control, the states’ rights don’t matter.

BombOmOm ,
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The right of the people to keep and bear arms is explicitly in the Constitution. The Constitution supersedes state law.

toomanypancakes ,
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Only when Republicans decide it does.

FlexibleToast ,

To be fair, gun rights are an actual constitutional right. I don’t think the democrats ever tried to make an amendment to include abortion rights. For them, the threat of losing it was a good campaign issue.

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