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A World War I veteran is first Tulsa Race Massacre victim identified from mass graves

A World War I veteran is the first person identified from graves filled with more than a hundred victims of the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre that devastated the city’s Black community, the mayor said Friday.

Using DNA from descendants of his brothers, the remains of C.L. Daniel from Georgia were identified by Intermountain Forensics, said Mayor G.T. Bynum and officials from the lab. He was in his 20s when he was killed.

“This is one family who gets to give a member of their family that they lost a proper burial, after not knowing where they were for over a century,” Bynum said.

FlyingSquid ,
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The man fought for his country and his country murdered him in return.

What an absolutely disgusting history we have.

Blankzy ,
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Move then

FlyingSquid ,
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Sure. You’re going to pay for it, since we can’t afford to, and find my wife and I new jobs when we get there, right?

Blankzy ,
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Not my problem. It’s you that seems to hate your country so much. That’s the thing about America, you can get a better job, save up, and move

FlyingSquid ,
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It’s you that seems to hate your country so much.

Acknowledging the shame of America’s racist past is a way to make it better. I suppose we should also ignore Dr. King since he addressed this shame?

That’s the thing about America, you can get a better job, save up, and move

What America are you talking about? People can’t even afford to move to other parts of the U.S.

SuiXi3D ,
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Jesus, be more of an ass, why don’t you?

catloaf ,

Find me a place that isn’t built on genocide and I will.

FlyingSquid ,
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Antarctica? So far?

PugJesus ,

Is it more problematic what the Old Ones did to the Shoggoths, or vice-versa?

FlyingSquid ,
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I guess that depends on whether or not you think it’s acceptable to kill off a race you genetically engineered to serve you.

dhtseany ,

You’re a fucking loser.

PugJesus ,

Someone who cannot recognize the sins of their country doesn’t love their country. They just want to worship it.

President Truman, who was himself somewhat racist (though less than many contemporary southerners), received a report post-WW2 on the treatment of Black veterans. He reportedly said, “My God, I had no idea it was as terrible as that. We’ve got to do something.” And so he did. Came out swinging on civil rights. Truman was deeply, DEEPLY imperfect, but even he recognized that a common, basic standard of decency and humanity was being violated by the racist behavior of the nation.

When the racial conditions of a country shock a man who is willing to use the n-word in private and acquiesce to his wife’s desire to keep Jews out of the house, something is well and truly FUCKED.

Our history is great not because it is perfect. It is ugly. It is, oftentimes, evil. Our history is great because we can learn from the sins of the past, and learn from those who fought those sins even at the time.

rustyfish ,
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You sound lonely.

girlfreddy OP ,
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That account is 2 days old and filled with garbage comments.

Block at will.

pop ,

There’s been a lot of vote brigading last couple of months on anything critical or showing the real “history” of the US.

A lot of snowflakes coming on board.

kevindqc ,

Wow. Disgusting person.

NovaPrime ,
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Do you get off on having the absolute worst takes on every single thread, or are you legitimately that stupid?

Olhonestjim ,

No. You move. We Americans will repair the damage.

Confused_Emus ,

Ugh, compost yourself. Someone else could better use the carbon.

aeronmelon ,

You pulled the thoughts right out of my head.

Bluefalcon ,

Well we can’t teach this to kids. They might grow up and condemn our military industrial system killing people.

FlyingSquid ,
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Or, worse, realize that a black person’s life has value.

Bluefalcon ,

Whoa whoa whoa. My constitution say only white males that own land matters.

gAlienLifeform , (edited )
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Two things this makes me think of, one - there’s nothing scarier to a white supremacist than a black soldier/veteran

Why was there a spike in violence in 1919? Krugler argues that black service members’ experience in World War I was one of the catalysts. In many places, demobilized black veterans, having fought for their country, had a diminished tolerance for racial discrimination—and their families, having sacrificed on the homefront, felt the same way. Meanwhile, white civilians resented what they perceived as an excess of pride (what an Army captain, registering his concern with the Military Intelligence Division, called “social aspirations”) in those who had served. Servicemen were allowed to wear their uniforms for three months after being “demobbed.” Georgian Wilbur Little was lynched in April 1919, reportedly for the sin of wearing his after the cutoff date—a crime that suggests how much the vision of black men in uniform threatened the racial regime.

[In line link added for context]

Two - this whole “About Face” comic. I think there is something about being in a war and becoming accustomed to an atmosphere of violence, having to dehumanize people who want to kill you so you can more easily kill them, having rigid structure and routine as the thing that allows you to stay grounded and keep moving forward, etc. - that makes it easier to fall into supremacist movements. Like, we had a noticeable uptick in KKK bullshit after WWI and WWII, and I can’t help but feel like a lot of the shit we see today is our War on Terror adventures coming home to roost in some ways.

e; just to be clear, I don’t mean this as a whole insult against all veterans or anything of the sort, because some of the best people I know irl are vets, and I think that service can absolutely have an opposite effect on a person’s moral reasoning

e; added Wikipedia link

FlyingSquid ,
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That does make sense. And also, it explains why black soldiers were specifically excluded from the GI Bill after WWII.

cygnus ,
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That comic is great, thanks for sharing.

jpreston2005 ,

This is just an aside, but if you weren’t aware, a nearly identical event occurred in Wilmington, NC, in 1898.

I had never heard about it until I moved near it.

Hawke ,

They dug up a WWI veteran and identified his remains by DNA in 1898? Very ahead of their time!

girlfreddy OP ,
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Who peed in your cornflakes this morning?

Tarquinn2049 ,

While that can be a fun technical joke in other contexts, this is not a situation where jokes like that are considered appropriate. As an Autistic person myself, I had to learn stuff like this the hard way too.

Hawke ,

Eh I’ll take my downvotes.

thisbenzingring ,

The reason this joke is bad is because it’s punching down. The subject of the joke is the victim of horrible atrocities. They should not be the core of the jokes punchline. If the joke made the perpetrators the butt of the joke, it would have worked.

Hawke ,

Buddy there was no butt of this joke, certainly not making fun of any victims. unless the victims are Intermountain Forensics.

thisbenzingring ,

the joke comes at the expense of a victim.

Hawke ,

It really does not. If it does, what victim is being made fun of?

thisbenzingring ,

THE WORLD WAR 1 BLACK AMERICAN

Hawke ,

How the fuck does it make fun of that person?

It makes fun of the fact that 1898 was before WWI, that DNA testing wasn’t a thing in 1898, and that the people massacring others in a different town in 1898 probably weren’t interested in having justice for their victims.

FlyingSquid ,
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Dude, just accept that a lot of people here thought your joke was crass and offensive.

Evade5415 ,

In the main NC Museum of History in Raleigh, I found a single sentence about this.

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