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whostosay ,

That guy seems like you could explain irony to him 20 times in a row and he’d never get it.

ghostface ,

Damn, black gays for trump must be getting pounded then. Pun intended 🙂

krelvar ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ee0a8477-eff7-499b-8147-a1bfacd6b53b.jpeg

iiGxC ,

How is this an example of leopards eating faces?

In this case the backlash is from the gay community to a (stupid) member of the gay community, so saying it’s a leopards-eating-faces party (lefp) member getting their face eaten would mean the gay community is the lefp right? I don’t think that’s what the lefp meme is about

Feathercrown ,

You’re right, but people aren’t listening to what your point is. Come on lemmy, you’re better than this

SOMETHINGSWRONG ,

No you and that commenter are literally wrong lmfao what do you even mean.

The meme derives humor from the fact that someone who voted for leopards was surprised when leopards hurt them.

The gays in the article supported bigots and was surprised when the bigots started to hurt them.

Feathercrown ,

The article’s ambiguous, but I read it as the LGBT community (rightfully) showering them with sand, not bigots doing it to be dicks.

TallonMetroid ,
@TallonMetroid@lemmy.world avatar

That would fit with the rest of the article, which includes the fellow who got blacklisted from his local gay bar for being MAGA.

frunch ,

Hey hey now I’m just here to argue, not read articles

androogee ,

It’s the dumbest possible thing to argue about, and the Internet is 86% people finding dumb things to argue about

theangryseal ,

I don’t take kindly to your tone! There are a thousand other ways you could have said this. Let’s fight about it!

Oh, yeah! Also, your mom is fat and you over feed your pets, I’m assuming.

androogee ,

Your lover made a minor faux pas? They’re a sociopath and they never loved you.

I bite my thumb at thee

catloaf ,

Ha, that’s my favorite part of that play.

“Is the law of our side if I say aye?”

“No.”

Just plain “no”. Gets me every time.

iiGxC ,

🤷😮‍💨

catsarebadpeople ,

This person supports policies that hurt themselves and their peers. Now their peers are angry with them for supporting things that hurt them. They are being hurt by the result of what they support.

Feathercrown ,

That’s not leopards eating faces though. That’s a guy voting for the leopards-eating-faces party and getting his shit rocked by his fellow citizens for endangering them.

theangryseal ,

A little bit of column A, a lotta bit of column B.

iiGxC ,

Yeah, but in this case it’s not the leopards eating their face (yet). They’ve voted for the leopards, people are angry at them for it, but so far the leopards have only eaten other peoples faces

iiGxC ,

Eh, then you could say voting progressive and getting attacked by your conservative community would count as leopards eating face, since you’re getting hurt by the result of what you support.

The meme is about voting for the harm and being directly harmed by the policy voted for, like if someone voted to ban abortions and then couldn’t get one when they needed it. Voting to ban abortions and then getting backlash from your friends is not leopards eating face (yet) either

Someonelol ,
@Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

This guy is voting not only to have his own face eaten, but everyone else’s within his community. I wouldn’t want to acquaint myself with someone like that either.

iiGxC ,

I’m not saying the guy did a good thing. In this article he voted for the leopard party, but hasn’t had his face eaten yet. He voted for the leopard party and everyone was fucking pissed at him for it

idk I thought the leopards eating faces party meme was mainly for examples of them both voting for leopards and getting their face eaten.

Someonelol ,
@Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It’s a little more nuanced than that. The typical face eating leopards voter doesn’t have enough critical thinking to figure out they’ll get eaten eventually. Everyone else around him knows they’re gourmet leopard food and it’s only a matter of time before they’d get eaten. I wouldn’t wait to hold my judgment on the guy until after the inevitable happens because of his dumb-ass decision.

iiGxC ,

I see, so the meme is also used in cases where they voted for the leopards but haven’t had their face eaten yet?

owenfromcanada ,
@owenfromcanada@lemmy.world avatar

Once again… leopards, faces

Irremarkable ,
@Irremarkable@fedia.io avatar

Being a complete moron ain't exclusive to straight people.

Davel23 ,

Good.

itsgroundhogdayagain ,

Wait til you see what happens in another 7 months

Draegur ,

good.

choices have consequences.

no one who endorses a psychotic dictator should ever be allowed to feel comfortable in life.

MindTraveller ,

Psychosis refers to a mental state characterised by hallucinations and paranoid delusions. Are you saying Trump hears voices in his head he thinks are real?

Draegur ,

a not inaccurate description of his behaviors.

especially the paranoid delusions.

his constant professing of what “people” “say” “to him”, especially particularly absurd things that there is no evidence anyone has ever said to him, would also technically meet the definition of him hearing voices - IF he is not lying. Which, to be fair, he could be, because he lies about a lot of shit all the time.

Impossible to rule out. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck. I’m no ornithologist but heuristically speaking treating the proverbial duck-like phenomenon as though it is a duck coincides with a statistically high probability of ideal results.

MindTraveller ,

I don’t think Trump’s delusions are paranoid. In fact, he’s remarkably unbothered given the very real dangers he faces. If he suffers from delusions, I would say they’re the opposite - confident delusions.

psvrh , (edited )
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Apparently, Jews for Hitler are also having some trouble. They’re commiserating with the black members of the KKK and the Association of Marxist-Leninist Landlords.

timewarp ,
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

I can understand people disagreeing with them, but kicking sand and attacking people is literally the actions of fascist too. You don’t win people over by attacking them.

Today ,

That sounds like the right answer, but really, I’d be right there kicking sand.

Passerby6497 ,

You don’t prevent your bar from becoming a nazi bar by asking nicely though.

timewarp ,
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So what’s the plan then? You going to punch the other side in the face to win their votes and show them how anti-fascist you are?

Passerby6497 ,

You make it clear they’re not welcome in the community, by force if necessary, and you let them back in once they’ve shown they can be trusted to be a member of the community again. IF they show they’ve changed.

I’ve been on a committee of people making this decision more than once. Rarely do people change enough to be welcomed back. Community self policing is the only way to really protect yourself when the government shows they wont.

timewarp ,
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

Where do they go? Do you propose that America has red states where only conservatives should live & blue states where liberals can live? Do you want to put over half of voters in concentration camps?

Passerby6497 ,

Oh no, the slipperiest of slopes attached to nothing but pure conjecture! I will never be hungry again with all of the words you just put into my mouth!

timewarp ,
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    davidagain ,

    Their point was that kicking someone out of a small club isn’t the same as kicking them out of the state.

    Your exaggeration of their point is what made it bad, not the point itself. That’s what the slippery slope fallacy is.

    They saw no point in debating your exaggerated question because it was so different to their position.

    They showed that they understood your debating technique better than you showed.

    timewarp ,
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    No, they showed that they wanted to engage in fascist behavior against a majority of voters right (according to polls).

    davidagain ,

    If you put a paedophile in charge of the country, none of our children are safe.

    timewarp , (edited )
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    I had planned on voting for Biden, but seeing how much Democrats are lying and gaslighting I’m actually thinking about staying home at this point. But you must know, even Biden has a history of questionable behavior with kids, sniffing them, touching them inappropriately, and it appears (according to Snopes) that Ashley Biden wrote about him showering with her and confirmed the diary to be hers in court.

    Furthermore, Trump has not been found guilty of being a pedophile. Democrats had 4 years to bring up charges on Trump being a pedo. They did not do it. Biden doesn’t call Trump a pedo. It is the Democrat voters grasping at straws who are in a cult making accusations rather than presenting policy because they lack intelligence. There is also this:

    theguardian.com/…/donald-trump-sexual-assault-law…

    Even more proof that the Katie Johnson story stinks and the media doesn’t report on it, cause they already investigated it and determined it lacked credibility:

    vox.com/…/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-jo…

    There are others too:

    huffpost.com/…/donald-trump-rape-case_n_581a31a5e…

    Trump may be a pedophile, but to prove that you need a trial and evidence.

    davidagain ,

    Your double standards are striking (across multiple conversations here). In this case you’ve concluded that a girl who got death threats for bringing a case against Trump withdrew, not because of the death threats, but because she was lying, and you’ve equated smelling hair with rape.

    I once said that I thought that a politician who is famous for some pretty racist policies was probably trying to do the right thing in an admittedly stupidly foolish way on a separate issue, and people got very cross with me online for defending her, but it never once made me inclined to vote for her, that would be idiotic, so I simply don’t believe for a minute you were thinking of voting for Biden. If you want to claim you were prepared to vote for Biden, go on, what was it that made you think he would be a better president than trump?

    timewarp ,
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    The reasons I was inclined to vote for Biden is because I am agnostic. I support LGBTQ+ rights. I want to see the government providing more safety nets for people. Trump helped foster the environment for the Jan 6. insurrection. I’m not considering staying home to help Trump win. I’m considering staying home because Democrats actions lately have been gaslighting and lying. The state I’m in is not a swing state.

    davidagain ,

    You claim Democrats are the ones gaslighting and lying?!

    timewarp ,
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    That’s what I said, yes. The ones gaslighting about Biden right now are.

    davidagain ,

    What do you think gaslighting means, and how far do you feel you’ve been gaslit?

    nobleshift ,
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    timewarp ,
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    So 30% support fascism according to you, but come elections over 40% are expected to vote for Trump. Who are the other 10%? Are the people voting for RFK Jr. fascist? Would that mean over 50% of Americans are fascist? Do you expect 39% to win in a war against over 50%?

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    timewarp ,
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    According to these facts you present, what you’re suggesting here is is that the following time periods in American history we were ruled by fascists and everyone that voted for those Presidents were fascists?

    2017-2021 2001-2009 1989-1993 1981-1989 1974-1977 1969-1974

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    timewarp ,
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    Your argument is that everyone who votes for the Republican (Trump presumably in this case) is fascist, is it not?

    Icalasari ,

    He's been popping up a lot. He argues in bad faith. Likely a paid troll

    TallonMetroid ,
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    Maybe if fascists got their faces punched in more often they’d understand that getting punched in the face sucks and that maybe they shouldn’t advocate for punching people in the face in the first place.

    timewarp ,
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    Was Biden voting against same-sex marriages and gay people serving in the military a fascist once? Will Democrats call Biden a recovered fascist?

    wreckedcarzz ,
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    You once were a child, making poor decisions. Are you still that way? (waves at the rest of the crowd to hold their comments) No? Would you look at that then, it’s like people are capable of growing and learning.

    So, you fuck that bullshit narrative here and now, past and future actions don’t mean shit. People change for better or worse, and you don’t sit on your ass and point fingers because past or promises, but by current actions, things occurring here and now.

    And right the fuck now there’s only one realistic option for the LGBT+ community in the states, so I don’t particularly give a damn what the fuck happened decades ago. If you’re still stuck in the past, might want to reflect on that. The rest of us have bigger shit to worry about.

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    If you’re worried about LGBTQ+ community then you’d be advocating for Biden to step down.

    Gigagoblin ,
    @Gigagoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    hi, am part of said community. i’ll gladly punch a fascist in the face for being fascist. it’s like a cancer, essentially; you give it any room to breathe & it will take over the whole thing. just look at what happened to the skinhead movement. but, yeah, they want us dead or in camps anyway & civil discussion obviously doesn’t work when fascist philosophy only works if everyone involved is actively playing dumb & as such, not playing by the same rules as everyone else.

    timewarp ,
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    Gigagoblin , (edited )
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    yeah & i’ll see you banned eventually, just like all the other prominent bad faith actors here. you’re not half as special or clever as you think you are.

    e : i love you had to slip in some BLM misinfo there. i’m not even from the US lol

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    Is that your reaction to deal with people not in the cult, to ban them… silence them even? Good thing you’re not from Palestine, or you’d be wondering why Biden is helping kill children.

    eldavi , (edited )

    it’s like people are capable of growing and learning.

    except biden didn’t learn or grow; he has a long history of going with the status quo and the status quo currently says that gays are okay and if gays were not okay tomorrow with the status quo; biden would tow that line as well.

    and i wish i had your privilege of ignoring the recent past; we’ve learned from it because it was so painful and we’re still trying to recover.

    Feathercrown ,

    You don’t, but at this point if they haven’t chosen the correct side it’s kind of on them.

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    So you attack them & tell them it is their fault that you’re attacking them? Kind of like how an abuser would blame the abused?

    Feathercrown ,

    Your analogy assumes innocence. In fact, it’s so strained that I have to believe you’re operating in bad faith here, or made a lapse in judgement.

    timewarp ,
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    It assumes that you’re the instigator of physical violence.

    nobleshift ,
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    timewarp ,
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    So do you have a link or somewhere I can learn more about your domestic terrorist organization?

    nobleshift ,
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    timewarp ,
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    So you keep this information stored on your local computer? Isn’t it dangerous?

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    timewarp ,
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    Who am I jerking off here?

    davidagain ,

    The rest of the conversation is missing, but you seem to be looking for volunteers to be jerked off by you?

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    No the person that removed their comments advocating for violent activities said I should find someone else to jerk off.

    davidagain ,

    You were jerking them off for advocating violence? That is one weird kink you’ve got there.

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    No I was advocating against it. I assume you know that. Do not lie about me and make things up.

    davidagain ,

    You would never stoop so low as to deliberately misinterpret someone online? Not even it it was funny?

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    Not that I’m aware of.

    davidagain ,

    You make it clear they’re not welcome in the community, by force if necessary, and you let them back in once they’ve shown they can be trusted to be a member of the community again. IF they show they’ve changed.

    I’ve been on a committee of people making this decision more than once. Rarely do people change enough to be welcomed back. Community self policing is the only way to really protect yourself when the government shows they wont.

    Where do they go? Do you propose that America has red states where only conservatives should live & blue states where liberals can live? Do you want to put over half of voters in concentration camps?

    This you?

    Regarding your lack of awareness:

    Oh no, the slipperiest of slopes attached to nothing but pure conjecture! I will never be hungry again with all of the words you just put into my mouth!

    You don’t think this was an attempt to raise awareness of your deliberate misinterpretation?

    Their point was that kicking someone out of a small club isn’t the same as kicking them out of the state.

    Your exaggeration of their point is what made it bad, not the point itself. That’s what the slippery slope fallacy is.

    You’re still unaware that you misinterpreted them online?!

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    I didn’t misinterpret them. Is it not true that over 40% of voters support Trump and that they are accusing Trump supporters of being fascist. Where do you expect those people to go if you think you’ll just kick them out of the communities where they live?

    davidagain ,

    You did misinterpret them. What kind of a community has a meeting to exclude folks for anti LGBT views? I tell you this, it wasn’t a housing project or a city, certainly not a state, it was surely a support group or similar. Your reading comprehension cannot be this bad.

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    You’re being disingenuous and inventing narratives. Why don’t you go ahead and post permalinks to where you claim I misinterpreted them. They weren’t taking about a small club. They were talking about kicking Trump supporters out of their communities.

    davidagain ,

    They said:

    You make it clear they’re not welcome in the community, by force if necessary, and you let them back in once they’ve shown they can be trusted to be a member of the community again. IF they show they’ve changed.

    I’ve been on a committee of people making this decision more than once. Rarely do people change enough to be welcomed back. Community self policing is the only way to really protect yourself when the government shows they wont.

    Again, what kind of a community has a meeting to exclude folks for anti LGBT views? I tell you this, it wasn’t a housing project or a city, certainly not a state, it was surely a support group or similar.

    You posted your “where do you think they’ll go if they’re kicked out of where they live” straight under that quote. Like, directly under it. The previous time you read that as being kicked out of their state, again, directly underneath.

    I don’t know, maybe when you hear people criticise conservatives it makes you so mad that you don’t read what they actually write. I find it hard to come up with other rational explanations for your statements.

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    Again, you’re being disingenuous. I asked for you to permalink to my comments. People can then look at the context and see for themselves that you’re a liar. The individual I responded to was clearly under the impression that all Trump supporters are fascist and should be removed from the communities from which they live and reside.

    davidagain , (edited )

    You’re being disingenuous. I’ve pasted exactly what they wrote, twice, and it’s only yesterday they said it. I’ve noticed that the moderators delayed some of your comments, but you and I know I’m not lying about your response. You’re denying they said what they said because I didn’t give you your precious hyperlink. Everyone can see you’re not arguing in good faith.

    memfree ,
    @memfree@lemmy.ml avatar

    Reminds me of a piece that is gone – but the below rephrase comes from here: mstdn.social/

    “The Paradox of Tolerance disappears if you look at tolerance, not as a moral standard, but as a social contract.

    If someone does not abide by the contract, then they are not covered by it.

    In other words: The intolerant are not following the rules of the social contract of mutual tolerance.

    Since they have broken the terms of the contract, they are no longer covered by the contract, and their intolerance should NOT be tolerated.”

    davidagain ,

    I like that. That’s a helpfully consistent way of framing it.

    iiGxC ,

    “When Trump won, my husband was so upset he wanted me out of our apartment. The rage was unexplainable — I mean honest rage. I could not understand this emotion in him and why anyone would let a political vote destroy or nearly destroy a marriage,” he said.

    if you vote for someone who’d like to make your marriage illegal, it’s gonna strain the marriage duuude

    wreckedcarzz ,
    @wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

    “but I just don’t understand that” -that dumbass

    Blackmist ,

    Reminds me of my sister-in-law’s husband, who fell heavily into Brexit propaganda. Ranting about foreigners coming over, to his wife’s face. She was from Iceland.

    They’re divorced now, oddly enough.

    NatakuNox , (edited )
    @NatakuNox@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s just the none white foreigners he was mad about, dude should have clarified his position…

    TheRealKuni ,

    It’s just the none white foreigners he was mad about, dude should have clarified his position…

    I dunno, Brexiters seemed to have a lot of trouble with the Polish.

    catloaf ,

    “White” has a very flexible definition depending on the racism du jour. In the US, plenty of Europeans, like Irish, Spanish, and Italian people weren’t considered “white” for a long time.

    But now we’ve got plenty of brown and black people to be even more racist against, so they get to be “white” these days.

    TheRealKuni ,

    Well of course. Race is a social construct, how we define races depends entirely on the society and its prejudices.

    Blackmist ,

    Don’t forget them “Romanian” Gypsies!

    It’s a crying shame really, because if they’d sat down and spoke to a Romanian, they’d find that hatred of gypsies is one of the few things they’ve got in common.

    eldavi ,

    I dunno, Brexiters seemed to have a lot of trouble with the Polish.

    there have been many examples and treatises of how the whiteness was/is non-uniform in the united states; is the same true in england?

    lolcatnip ,

    Option 1: Use coded language that directly attacks your spouse.
    Option 2: Openly admit to being a hardcore racist.

    Sucks to suck.

    ImADifferentBird ,
    @ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I’ve had a lot of people pull the “It’s just politics, why are you so mad?” card, especially after Trump won. Just shows this is all a game to them, that they do not give a shit about the consequences of their actions.

    Most of the ones who did it to me were straight white people though, so they were insulated by their privilege. It takes a whole other level of delusion to play that game when you’re one of the minorities these assholes target.

    eldavi , (edited )

    Most of the ones who did it to me were straight white people though, so they were insulated by their privilege. It takes a whole other level of delusion to play that game when you’re one of the minorities these assholes target.

    insulated by their privilege is the right phrase; i was fucked over multiple times by biden et al’s banning of gays from marriage & federal service and student loans, but if you mention it now you get labeled as a tankie or russian/chinese shill; only the younger gays and the people who biden et al. hasn’t fucked over get to enjoy this privilege while people in my situation have to forget or white knuckle it.

    ImADifferentBird ,
    @ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Agreed. A lot of those views seem to have genuinely softened as he aged (after all, he actively championed gay marriage during the Obama admin), but still, there is a lot of unsavory shit from his time as a senator, and it does take a lot of effort to reconcile that.

    eldavi ,

    A lot of those views seem to have genuinely softened as he aged (after all, he actively championed gay marriage during the Obama admin)

    he also actively campaigned on appeasing segregationists in his much more recent campaign until kamala had to embarrass him publicly in a debate; so no, those views haven’t softened as evidenced by both biden’s decades long track record and a painful recent schooling by kamala; among other examples from the recent past.

    also, “unsavory” is putting it extremely mildly when people were put in prison; homes permanently broken; and livelihoods were destroyed by biden et al’s actions.

    todd_bonzalez ,

    Womp womp, thinking about all the women who divorced their husbands because they voted for a pussy grabber. Fuck around and find out.

    lolcatnip ,

    It takes two people to let a vote ruin a marriage. If you know your spouse has strong feelings about politics but it’s just a game to you, then just maybe you shouldn’t play the game in a way that will make your spouse hate you.

    captainlezbian ,

    Also politics displays values. I don’t want to date a republican for myriad reasons like valuing low taxes over strong social services or opposing environmental regulation. Caring for those struggling and for the environment are firm moral positions of mine and I would be angry to find my wife disagrees with those.

    Ranvier ,

    “I’m almost anti-gay,” Dorman told The Post. “It’s an embarrassment to see this kind of behavior… I’d really invite them to go to Iran or Gaza. See what that does for you. See how fast they throw you in prison or kill you.”

    The internalized homophobia is strong with this one. It’s honestly really sad. I mean, he’s an ass. But it’s still kind of sad.

    HomerianSymphony ,

    The internalized homophobia is strong with this one.

    And let’s not forgot the Islamophobia.

    pelletbucket ,

    lol ok

    pelletbucket ,

    when do we start testing people’s lead levels before letting them in office

    EgoNo4 ,

    When do we start testing people’s lead levels before letting them vote?

    pelletbucket ,

    I don’t think it matters how brain damaged you are, you’re still allowed to vote. you do have to be competent to hold office though

    dudinax ,

    You do?

    pelletbucket ,

    yeah you’re allowed to expel people from office for gross incompetence

    wreckedcarzz ,
    @wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

    reproduce*

    davidagain ,

    I’m not sure that the 64-year-old gay man featured at the end of the article is gonna do a lot of procreation.

    wreckedcarzz ,
    @wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

    Nah this is a blanket-rule, you get tested and you get tested, everybody gets tested!

    AnarchoSnowPlow ,

    “Well, well, well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions.”

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