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20 years later, Abu Ghraib detainees get their day in US court

Twenty years ago this month, photos of abused prisoners and smiling U.S. soldiers guarding them at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison were released, shocking the world.

Now, three survivors of Abu Ghraib will finally get their day in U.S. court against the military contractor they hold responsible for their mistreatment.

The trial is scheduled to begin Monday in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, and will be the first time that Abu Ghraib survivors are able to bring their claims of torture to a U.S. jury, said Baher Azmy, a lawyer with the Center for Constitutional Rights representing the plaintiffs.

nkat2112 ,
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I will never forget that photograph. The stains from that shame will never be washed away.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

This is what opened my young eyes to the reality that the US government only sticks to its values when they find it convenient

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

And when the torture victims get a settlement they'll say "See? The system works!"

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Drop in the bucket of this countries history and, in the end, nothing’s going to be done. Significant portion of our population still believes this was a good thing. Of those that even remember this that is.

TropicalDingdong ,

Of those that even remember this that is.

Y’all right there buddy?

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Am I wrong? Is this still a major topic of discussion? This is just another thing in the past.

TropicalDingdong ,

I guess maybe I need help because I couldn’t parse it. I’m still trying to and I’m still not getting it.

“…of this that is”

of this that is what? huh?

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Even after my comment you can’t figure out what I’m saying? Maybe you were a tiny bit confused in the beginning but… You’re still lost?

Interesting.

TropicalDingdong ,

Of those that even remember this that is.

I think I figured it out

Of those that even remember this , that is.

I was just having trouble understanding what the sentence was referencing. Once I tossed a comma in, I was able to understand that you were referencing the original Abu Gharaib event. The use of ‘that is’ without a comma to create a pause (which would be present if it were spoken) was confusing to me, because it seemed like there was something you were intending to reference in the sentence that I didn’t see. My brain read it and went “this that is… what?”, as in “What is this that?”

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

One missing comma and a sentence broke your brain? And from there it took you this long to figure out what I was saying?

Are you ok?

TropicalDingdong ,

Of those that even remember this that is.

Taken alone, I think that sentence is confusing without a comma.

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

A tiny grammatical error should not hurt your brain this bad dude. You’re kind of telling on yourself and grasp of the English language.

TropicalDingdong ,

Ok, well sometimes things might make sense when spoken and you are able to add inflection and pauses. They don’t always come across in the written form. I found it confusing and I still do. I guess I’m sorry for finding it confusing?

EdibleFriend ,
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If you were confused that’s one thing but you had to open this up with that condescending asking me if I’m all right. Which is really weird because, when it comes down to it, this all boils down to your piss-poor reading skills.

Don’t go through life being condescending over your inability to use first grade context clues.

TropicalDingdong ,

Of those that even remember this that is.

It reads like some one stroking out without the comma or like a word or the subject of the sentence was forgotten.

EdibleFriend ,
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You and you alone are confused. Anyways… is there something else I can help you with my man?

TropicalDingdong ,

Well I think broadly you make a good point about Abu Gharaib, and I appreciate you making it.

It ended up being “just one of those things that happened” with no real consequences to those who set the situation up to occur and no accountability. It really sucks, but its just one more even in a long list of events that shouldn’t have happened, that shouldn’t have been possible to have happened. Like what was the fucking point?

Confused_Emus ,

Maybe ease off there making fun of someone’s reading comprehension skills when you fucked up basic comma usage.

grue ,

One missing comma and a sentence broke your brain?

Commas are important people! Commas are important, people!

wieson ,

Drop in the bucket of this countries history and, in the end, nothing’s going to be done. Significant portion of our population still believes this was a good thing. Of those that even remember this that is.

Significant portion || of those that even remember this || that is.

The “that is” is a clarifier, similar to “is what I meant”.

Significant portion of our population still believes this was a good thing. Of those that even remember this, is what I meant.

Maybe a comma would’ve helped.

DAMunzy ,

It seemed weird but was and is a valid sentence.

grue ,

Give or take, as also is the case for your sentence, a few missing bits of punctuation:

Of those that even remember this, that is.

It seemed weird, but was—and is—a valid sentence.

brbposting ,

It was a valid sentence.

It still is, but it used to be too.

DAMunzy ,

Is that a certain style guide’s punctuation? Because that could possibly change what is valid. Yours is definitely more readable.

Have a banana 🍌

grue ,

Is that a certain style guide’s punctuation?

Not that I know of; it’s just what I think works.

Yours is definitely more readable.

I’m glad you agree! That makes me even more confused why most of the people reading my comment seem mad about it.

TheDoozer ,

They just left out a comma (if it was technically necessary). …remember this, that is.

It’s short for “that is to say” and either shows up at the beginning or end of a sentence.

It’s an addendum to a statement, that is.

mojo_raisin ,

The state is unwilling to be a force for justice, that is not it’s purpose.

If the offense was against the state or it’s favored populations, “justice” would’ve been, let’s say expeditious.

Ultragigagigantic ,
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

Clown country.

“All men are created equal”

is slave state

Always has been

Elect clowns, get a circus.

LibertyLizard ,

Clowns are the only ones that qualify for the ballot though.

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