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Florida man seriously injured and unable to speak after encounter with police, daughter says after her father was falsely accused of stealing a banana

A woman in Florida says her 55-year-old “medically fragile” father was falsely accused of theft at a Florida grocery store last week and then seriously injured in a violent encounter with police. Now, she says, he is hospitalized and has lost the ability to speak.

EsteemedRectangle ,

Oh my god, this is terrible

Xariphon ,

ACAB

EdibleFriend ,
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    Rivalarrival ,

    She said she feared for her father’s safety, so she got a bat from her car, approached the woman and told her to “pick on someone her own size, someone able-bodied.” She said she did not threaten the woman with the bat. Still, she said, the woman called police.

    the woman who called 911 told police that “after an incident with Joseph inside the store,” she encountered Anjelica Lee waiting outside with a metal bat in her hand. The woman told police that Anjelica Lee, while holding the bat, had told her to “clock out cause I’m gonna whoop your ass,” according to the affidavit. Anjelica Lee said she remembers telling the woman to meet her outside but not saying that.

    Afterward, the affidavit says, Anjelica Lee put the bat back into her car, went inside the store and knocked items off the shelves. She denies having done so. The woman told police she “was placed in a well-founded fear that” Anjelica Lee was going to cause her harm while she was holding the bat outside the store, according to the affidavit.

    Seems the father’s problems had less to do with the banana and more to do with his piece of shit daughter.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    👅🥾

    Gotta admit, “the pigs HAD to beat him, someone said his daughter was violent before they got there” is a new one.

    EdibleFriend ,
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    And what part of that justifies beating the father? The daughter was a bitch(possibly) so you say its ok that the police put the father in the hospital?

    Is that just how its supposed to work in your eyes? if your child acts up the police get to beat you into a fucking coma?

    Rivalarrival ,

    What beating?

    I ctrl-f’d the page for the word “beat” and found nothing. The only claims I see from the daughter or the father (I’m ignoring police claims) of any physical contact with the father are that he was pushed against a car by “nine or 10” of the 8 responding officers who were also arresting her, and then pushed to the ground.

    In the hospital photo provided by the family, I see no bruises, abrasions, or other injuries consistent with a “beating”.

    He interfered with the officers attempting to arrest his daughter, who had just threatened people with a baseball bat; a deadly weapon. Both pushing against a car and pushing to the ground are reasonable uses of force in detaining an uncooperative subject.

    It seems the daughter went bat shit crazy in the store, threatened employees, police responded in force, and dad got between them and the violent criminal they were there to arrest. He was quickly arrested by some of the cops while the others arrested the daughter.

    What do you think they should have done differently, once the daughter had began threatening people with a deadly weapon?

    EdibleFriend ,
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    Anjelica Lee said her father, who already had a pacemaker, sustained an acute kidney injury in the encounter and is undergoing dialysis. She also said he can barely talk and is disoriented and confused. “He’s waking up panicked,” she said. “He doesn’t know where he’s at. He can no longer feed himself. We have to do that for him. They’re saying that some of the injuries could be long-term.”

    Read instead of ctrl-fing for an exact word i used in an attempt to be a pedantic bootlicker. He’s in the hospital, one of his kidneys is fucked up. But your right. they just pushed him around a little. and, again, he absolutely fucking deserved to have one of his kidneys trashed because he didn’t raise his daughter right.

    Thank you. You have enlightened me on how the world works.

    Rivalarrival ,

    I cited all claims of physical contact with the father: a highly exaggerated claim of being pushed against a car, and a claim of being pushed to the ground. Both claims were made by the daughter. I excluded all claims made by police.

    The daughter’s own claims suggest he was interfering with her arrest, telling her to ignore their instructions. The physical force she claims was used against him is consistent and reasonable for a non-compliant subject.

    Based entirely on her biased and exaggerated claims, I’m not seeing how their force was excessive or improper.

    Perhaps video evidence will arise showing something she didn’t see. She’d better hope they do, because her own statements have pretty much ensured police and the city will prevail if she tries to sue.

    EdibleFriend ,
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    So they lied about his kidney injury? Him being in the hospital altogether is a lie? You say this is appropriate but, you yourself, say at the worst he tried to get them to stop arresting her. Your main claim as to why he deserved what happened to him is what his daughter did. Thats your go to.

    Rivalarrival , (edited )

    Lied? No. Misrepresented? Likely.

    She acknowledged he was in poor health to begin with. She described chronic conditions, as well as acute symptoms occurring immediately prior to the altercation. They stopped at the store because his arms and legs were cramping up “due to an infection,” and he thought potassium would help.

    Infection can cause acute renal failure. One of the early symptoms of acute renal failure is general cramping due to electrolyte imbalances. I think that it rather likely the kidneys were “injured” prior to the altercation and not during it.

    TengoDosVacas ,

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    Evil_Shrubbery ,

    Afaik over there are all out of shape so I would use the term “sport” loosely, but I’m all for more people getting into sports, especially the ones that benefit the society.

    Probably should be televised, have events with a panel of judges to score each shot.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    Did anybody read the article and see the part where she were threatening the employees with a bat and admitted to it?

    I think they’re sort of burying the lede on this one.

    I would completely expect the police to show up, armed and ready for someone who did just receive a call about threatening people with a metal bat.

    Fuck the police and what they did to him, but let’s not pretend like this isn’t a whole other thing than the headline.

    That being said, can anyone tell me what the cops did to this dude other than make him sit in the back of a police car I very well might’ve missed it.

    The latter part of that article go wild

    girlfreddy ,
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    She said she feared for her father’s safety, so she got a bat from her car, approached the woman and told her to “pick on someone her own size, someone able-bodied.” She said she did not threaten the woman with the bat. Still, she said, the woman called police.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    If you walk up to someone with a bat in your hand and tell them to pick on someone your own size, you are threatening them with the bat.

    If not to be a threat there is no purpose to bring the bat

    girlfreddy ,
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    How do you know she walked right up to Karen? How do you know she didn’t just go and stand by her father while leaning on the bat?

    And why didn’t the woman just ask to see the receipt instead of going all Karen?

    You assume too much.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    Based just on the facts, she picked up a bat and then issued a threatening statement. Whether you are 2 feet away or 50, that is still threatening someone with a weapon.

    Why are you arguing against this?

    I assumed nothing.

    I used only the things that the lady herself stated.

    If you disagree please point me to the information that you think proves your point.

    I will look at it and reevaluate, I might not change my mind but I will at least listen to your opinion.

    Please, feel free.

    girlfreddy ,
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    Based on what media is reporting, which is rarely ALL the facts.

    And you do assume you know how far away she was standing, what her tone of voice was, etc. If you weren’t there = you don’t know for sure.

    You also didn’t respond to my question why Karen just didn’t ask to see the receipt … like a non-racist likely would.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    Because I am not trying to defend her actions.

    I agree that that is what should have happened.

    Can you give me an example of how holding a metal bat in your hand and telling that to someone in this situation would not be a threat?

    circuscritic , (edited )

    Look, my personal mantra is “pick on someone your own size”, which I chant every morning when I’m roaming the streets with my walking bat.

    Only a bigot would find that threatening.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    Ok, I can’t help but give an exception for that.

    You are making sure to bang it creepily while talking in a sing-song voice right?

    circuscritic ,

    Eh, it’s more of an summoning Moloch vibe.

    But whenever someone makes eye contact, I make sure to never blink.

    ripcord ,
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    You have to mix it up and drag it slowly on the pavement behind you for a while, too.

    Rivalarrival ,

    Based on what she has said. Her description of her own actions with the bat constitute a threat. Unless you’re arguing she was misquoted, she issued a threat with a deadly weapon.

    TimLovesTech ,
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    From her account the Karen in the store had already laid hands on her father at this point and was then continuing to follow and harass him. Sounds like self defense to me.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    It’s not self-defense, it may be defense of another, but she was not involved in it until she involved herself

    Rivalarrival ,

    Then you don’t understand the concept of self defense.

    A bat is a deadly weapon. To justify the use of a deadly weapon in self defense or defense of others, a reasonable person must believe there is a credible, criminal, imminent, threat of death or grievous bodily harm, and that the deadly weapon was necessary to end that threat.

    “Laying hands” does not describe anything remotely close to such a threat.

    sizzler ,

    Oh dear, a classic case of downvoted for uncomfortable truth. The fickle nature of forums strike again.

    TimLovesTech ,
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    I think if the person is white you can use “stand your ground” and shoot people of color without issue. This isn’t about her having a bat, it’s that she doesn’t look “white enough” to use the same defense several white folks have used now. And those white folks went looking for trouble and still got to shoot people with impunity. She only had a bat and was basically telling the Karen if she wants a problem to keep it up.

    I just don’t see how that isn’t self defense. She also feared for her father’s life from some racist shithead that instead of calling police if she really thought there was an issue, decided to put her hands on this gentleman and then continue to harass him. And I don’t know that stores particularly policy, but most chains strongly discourage harassing and chasing down customers because you have a hunch they may have taken something. So she also likely broke store policy in pursuit of her racist vendetta.

    ripcord ,
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    If you read the rest of the story, they claim she was waiting outside with the bat telling the lady to come out, went inside and knocked a bunch of shit off of shelves, etc.

    Which may not be true, but pretty sure a bunch of people were being stupid and escalating things here.

    AA5B ,

    everyone was escalating here, except perhaps the victim. Even then, it seems like you get the manager and make sure they have the cashiers statements instead of trying to leave

    cyborganism ,

    Yeah. You’re right.

    The daughter totally escalated the situation by bringing a baseball bat and threatening the clerk. No wonder they called the police.

    And the old man, according to affidavits, was simply taken into the back of a police car without any violence to himself. Then he complained of chest pains while in the car so they called an ambulance. He was alert when the ambulance arrived.

    The man had a heart condition that was aggravated due to his daughter escalating the situation and getting the police involved. And now he’s in the hospital because of her behaviour.

    However this could’ve all not happened had the store employee not been a dick. So this is really all that person’s fault.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    I don’t agree with that logic.

    You are stripping away everyone’s free will except the employee.

    At any point during this, anyone could have made different decisions and just stopped this whole thing

    cyborganism ,

    Yeah but the initial instigator was the clerk. That was the spark that started it all.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    Friend, I already agreed to that.

    My statement is that everyone here was an adult and they all made poor choices.

    Granted that the dudes action was small, but now that I think about it that was actually what started it.

    It should have stopped with just asking the cashier how many bananas he paid for.

    They did not even need to bother asking him and risking someone just thinking they were being called a thief.

    I know that is how I feel every time I get asked for a receipt, and I am a middle aged white guy in redneck country, god only knows how often he probably has to deal with it.

    die444die ,

    Do y’all’s grocery stores charge by number of bananas? Mine does if by weight. Not that I think that makes a difference, if I keep seeing people taking about paying for an extra banana so im curious.

    AA5B ,

    People do it with grapes too, also sold by weight. But here we only have a few. Surely she could have typed in 1/3 extra weight and been pretty damn close

    dan1101 ,

    Many cashiers can’t do math tho, and if you ask them to they think you’re trying to scam them.

    I think the fact that this guy had a medical flareup that the potassium in the bananas would help will help him in court, if he would even be able to go to court.

    cyborganism ,

    Ah ok I misunderstood.

    jettrscga ,

    To answer your question on what the cops did:

    Anjelica Lee said. “My dad said to me: ‘Don’t get out of the car until they can fully see you, because they’re going to shoot.’ And after he said that, nine or 10 of them jumped on him, and then they slammed him on the car.”

    She said she could hear her father screaming: “You’re hurting me. I can’t breathe.”

    This is all from the woman’s perspective. But it sure seems suspicious that he had chest pains that the police’s story can’t explain.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    Fair enough I missed that part. Thank you!

    ripcord ,
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    And kidney injury, supposedly.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    I would upvote you but I keep getting an error screen when I try.

    girlfreddy ,
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    “At first, I was trying to ask her what happened, and she was like, ‘People like you and him shouldn’t come into the store if you don’t have money to pay for things,’” Anjelica Lee said. “My mom is white, and my dad is Black. So I’m mixed. So I think she meant Black people. And it just escalated from that, and she went to cussing me out.”

    You can almost guarantee the victim will be Black.

    Every. Fucking. Time.

    cyborganism ,

    Every time. Every. Single. Time. For real.

    NegativeInf ,

    We don’t have police. Just corporate enforcers. Pinkertons in different uniforms. Oh, you are accused of a 17 cent theft and didn’t do it? Eat lead I guess. I’m just so tired.

    tsonfeir ,
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    Bananas are $10

    joyjoy ,

    All this for a misdemeanor.

    SilverCode ,

    Lucille, is that you?

    Lucidlethargy ,

    There’s always money in the banana stand.

    Coasting0942 ,

    SCOTUS: processing, processing, processing……

    Complete! If you don’t like it then just vote in a different police chief or mayor!

    uis ,
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    then just vote in a different police chief

    You can do this?

    Coasting0942 ,

    Some police chiefs are elected yes.

    uis ,
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    Wow. Who can run for police chief?

    Coasting0942 ,

    For elected positions technically anybody.

    Practically it’s a police officer endorsed by the previous chief and/or police union.

    Son_of_dad ,

    If you get your house broken into, or your car stolen the police can’t even be bothered to pretend to care. They treat your theft like an inconvenience to them and will tell you there’s nothing they can do.

    But if you’re a corporation, they’ll rush right over and cripple a shoplifter for stealing a banana.

    agent_flounder ,
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    Hey now, they also specialize in oppressing minorities.

    uis ,
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    No, they specialize in protecting minorities. Minority. You know which one.

    uis ,
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    https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/a3421a103e4da25ccac01cd46b52cd93.jpg

    1. Robbery
    2. Hooliganism
    3. Another protest
    BakerBagel ,

    Don’t worry, we still have Pinkertons as well.

    WarlordSdocy ,

    There seems to be a lot of gaps in that timeline in the 1800s, wonder what they were doing then 🤔

    Cosmonauticus ,

    Blame boomers and genX. Black/brown ppl have been preaching about police brutality for decades. The only reason they weren’t beating the shit out of white ppl then was they where middle class. Now that everyone is either rich or poor they’re coming for the rest of you.

    It took cellphone footage for ppl to start believing and by then it was too late to do anything

    andyburke ,
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    Just how they want us. I feel you, but fuck the corporate garbage world those motherfuckers are trying to build.

    Time to tear shit down and fix it. The world doesn't have to be like this. We just need to tell the corporations to fuck off and regulate them again.

    hark ,
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    We don’t have police. Just corporate enforcers.

    They’re the same thing.

    SoleInvictus ,
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    They really shouldn’t be. The US is seriously fucked up.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    They always will be because people are inherently evil and domineering, and quite simply can’t be trusted with that kind of power.

    JoMiran ,
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    I see they opted for the Israeli definition of “measured and equitable response”.

    jonne ,

    Reminder that the IDF trains US cops. Palestinians are used as guinea pigs for policing techniques.

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